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I need to see him in at least like 20 games to get a proper read on what he is.
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The biggest offensive addition that Holland has brought in was James Neal who is an absolute debacle at 5 on 5. After him, the biggest addition has been Gaetan Haas who has 7 points.
Sheahan with 6, Archibald with 6, Nygard with 6, and then Granlund with 4 who is gone.
While Holland should be lauded for the Neal for Lucic swap, all of his offseason moves aside from that have been brutal misses.
Let me put it this way:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Neal*
Kassian
Nugent-Hopkins
Klefbom
Nurse
Bear
Chiasson
Khaira
Gagner
We have the lowest scoring bottom 6 forwards, hell I think even bottom 9 forwards in the entire league. All the players that Holland brought in this offseason have been complete debacles aside from Neal (who has been a debacle when he's not on the PP). There is a bit of hope with a few of them. Haas and Nygard look fast, but don't produce at all. Sheahan and Archibald PK, but are detrimental otherwise. Even two players who probably shouldn't be in the NHL in Chiasson and Khaira are outscoring all the additions that Holland made. Chiasson and Khaira aren't playing in the NHL if they aren't in Edmonton.
The scary part is that our defence is honestly worse. Bear, Nurse, and Klefbom are CAPABLE NHL defencemen. They aren't top pairing guys. Klefbom plays huge minutes but that's only out of necessity. The talks of him being a top pairing defenceman, let alone a #1 defenceman like some of you psychos were proclaiming at the start of the season were asinine.
I admit it is hard to compare one defensive corps to another at times. It's sickening to look at our defensive group and realize that to actually have a GOOD defence, we would need to add two defencemen to this roster who are currently better than anyone else we have. Dropping everyone in our group down two spots in the lineup would solve a lot of issues. The fact we have Ethan Bear as our 'saving grace' makes me want to laugh and cry simultaneously.
I don't think Bouchard is the answer either. I don't think we can wait for Broberg to hopefully develop into that either.
So far I think Holland has failed miserably. Yes, he didn't have much room to work with, but we also see lots of free agent additions and smaller trades that have took place involving high round draft picks where teams have acquired players who are doing far more in the middle and bottom 6's of their teams. Much better than anything Holland got.
I honestly think Holland failed miserably in his first offseason. He acquired quite a few new players, none of whom have had any amount of success given their opportunity.
Sheahan with 6, Archibald with 6, Nygard with 6, and then Granlund with 4 who is gone.
While Holland should be lauded for the Neal for Lucic swap, all of his offseason moves aside from that have been brutal misses.
Let me put it this way:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Neal*
Kassian
Nugent-Hopkins
Klefbom
Nurse
Bear
Chiasson
Khaira
Gagner
We have the lowest scoring bottom 6 forwards, hell I think even bottom 9 forwards in the entire league. All the players that Holland brought in this offseason have been complete debacles aside from Neal (who has been a debacle when he's not on the PP). There is a bit of hope with a few of them. Haas and Nygard look fast, but don't produce at all. Sheahan and Archibald PK, but are detrimental otherwise. Even two players who probably shouldn't be in the NHL in Chiasson and Khaira are outscoring all the additions that Holland made. Chiasson and Khaira aren't playing in the NHL if they aren't in Edmonton.
The scary part is that our defence is honestly worse. Bear, Nurse, and Klefbom are CAPABLE NHL defencemen. They aren't top pairing guys. Klefbom plays huge minutes but that's only out of necessity. The talks of him being a top pairing defenceman, let alone a #1 defenceman like some of you psychos were proclaiming at the start of the season were asinine.
I admit it is hard to compare one defensive corps to another at times. It's sickening to look at our defensive group and realize that to actually have a GOOD defence, we would need to add two defencemen to this roster who are currently better than anyone else we have. Dropping everyone in our group down two spots in the lineup would solve a lot of issues. The fact we have Ethan Bear as our 'saving grace' makes me want to laugh and cry simultaneously.
I don't think Bouchard is the answer either. I don't think we can wait for Broberg to hopefully develop into that either.
So far I think Holland has failed miserably. Yes, he didn't have much room to work with, but we also see lots of free agent additions and smaller trades that have took place involving high round draft picks where teams have acquired players who are doing far more in the middle and bottom 6's of their teams. Much better than anything Holland got.
I honestly think Holland failed miserably in his first offseason. He acquired quite a few new players, none of whom have had any amount of success given their opportunity.
What's wrong with our goaltending? Konovalev is a KHL All-Star this season, Rodrigue is at the World Juniors...
Skinner, Wells and Starrett are struggling, but I can't really comment on how much they're to blame.
The organization's immediate needs are at 3C, secondary wingers and a puck-moving D over the next couple seasons. I'm not really seeing the negative version considering our depth likely addresses a number of those needs, if not all of them.
Teams would trade half their roster for McDavid and this year it's LaFreniere and the next it's Raty so I'm cool with that
Rodrigue is at the world Juniors but they trust him so little they didn't even give him a pre tournament game. He is just there to keep the press box stocked with popcorn, he also hasn't played that well this year
Skinner and Wells have both been various levels of bad as pros so far.
It comes down to whether or not one thinks we have a couple of seasons. That's why it's important this team makes the playoffs this year, they need to show things are headed in the right direction and I'm not sure they get there with the lineup as-is.
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Basically this. We have so many players who do not do anything meaningful game in and game out. Those players have to play, so then they get paid like a top pairing dman, 2nd line C, etc. Brutal cycle until we get more good hockey players.
I'm curious then, as to what happens when a player under contract for a good number of years refuses to play? Best in the world or not. Does he dog it on the ice? Does he not show up? How does a player under contract strongarm a team into doing something?
Honest question cause I can't recall something like this happening.
CantHaveTkachev
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You can send back short term salary like Gagner and/or Manning if need be or retain salary, they're not going to care about those guys eating popcorn in a press box. They would be selling for the purposes of gaining futures, any team selling views this season as a write off.
Proven 20+ goal winger with some speed, why wouldn't we want him? How many better options are realistically available?
Fixed to Ruin
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I don't disagree with your takes for Skinner and Wells but Rodrigue at the world juniors is a bit of a bizarre situation. I don't understand hockey canada. Rodridgue is their most experienced international goaltender with excellent numbers at the U-16, U-17, U-18, Ivan Hlinka & was at the Summer Development camp. What's the point of having all these international tournaments & camps when they throw all that away and let the OHL coach start an undrafted 19 year old goaltender who has 54 GP in the OHL who basically came out of nowhere. Seems idiotic to me to throw all that experience out for a couple of new guys.
Rodrigue is on a powerhouse Moncton team who loaded up during the trade period for a memorial cup run. I'll pass judgement on him when the season is over. I'm not going to knock him for being the 3rd goalie when Hunter decided to start his boy from the OHL (who got lit up by the Russians) when he had Rodrigue who already has 10 international starts in his career.
CantHaveTkachev
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based on the standings, looks to me like the Oilers are going "in the right direction"
and if Connor has a problem, maybe him and his agent should talk to Holland about the direction of the team
If McDavid wants to miss out on 12.5M/yr then he's really stupid.
CantHaveTkachev
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McFlash97
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The thing is , would you blame him for strong arming this embarrassing organization ? really ? Be honest with yourself ?
Puljujarvi
pick
Gagner (cap dump)
for
Saad @2 mill retained
Chicago opens up cap space for next season as he's under contract for next year but Edmonton gets a winger they need and would be looking for in the summer anyway. Gagner is irrelevant, they just press box or send him to the AHL for a few months.
CantHaveTkachev
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based on this article:
GDB 43.0: Depth Scoring A Must in 2020 (5pm MT, SNW)
we are 17th since November
CantHaveTkachev
Legends
Hawks probably think Pulju is a bust and want nothing to do Gagner...plus they retain 2 mil on his salary?
no chance
After 43 games last year the Oilers had 43 points and -18 GD. This year they have 47 points and -10 GD. A slight improvement, sure, but an 89 point pace is probably not getting you into the playoffs.
CantHaveTkachev
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as captain of the team, he's free to talk to Holland any time about the direction of the team (and his agent)
That frees up $4 million in cap space for them next season, you understand that, right?
And rolling the dice on assets like Nylander, Strome (former high 1sts that haven't panned out) is kind of a strategy they seem to like to employ.
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