MinimaMoralia
Registered User
- May 1, 2015
- 1,782
- 826
Not a fan of Kovalchuk at all but I’d have jumped all over bringing him here at the price Montreal did.
He likely wouldn’t have jumped as much.
Not a fan of Kovalchuk at all but I’d have jumped all over bringing him here at the price Montreal did.
That's great to ask the question, but it doesn't matter why now.
You're into McDavid's 5th season and Draisaitl's 6th. You don't have time now to start over again, sorry.
This is like taking 4 hours to decide what to wear and asking the limo driver to turn around so you can change again, at some point someone needs to be slapped upside the head.
What they are going to have to do in reality is get an imperfect/not-so-great roster into the playoffs with some band-aid fixes, that buys them an interim phase where they can hopefully add in some more long term pieces, but they don't get that phase to begin with without some playoffs in the near term future.
Who knows? Hi did agree to go to Montreal.He likely wouldn’t have jumped as much.
Agreed, who knows?Who knows? Hi did agree to go to Montreal.
You may underestimate the state of the Oiler fan base. Even with McDavid, this is perhaps as apathetic as I have seen it since Pocklington dismantled the dynasty. Hall is actually a very dynamic player to watch live. He has his flaws but in terms of his ability to bring you out of your seat he is one of the better players in the league. He is also a guy that still carries a lot of cache amongst more casual fans.
Ultimately, winning is the real answer to bringing back interest in the team. And I agree that panic is not the right approach. But even in the first couple of months when the team was doing well it was still pretty dead at the games I went to. The audience is sophisticated enough to know that you can't win by simply playing road hockey. But I do think that they would like to see a little pizzazz added in the mix.
There no reason you can't start over again . The Oilers finally have D coming . I think the quickest turn around for this team is to trade every last forward on the team . McDavid included . The team got no heart , no drive and Mcdavid will demand a trade soon at which time his value drops .
McDavid could get you a 1C+1D+2 top 6 wingers from a good deep team . Add in a couple of firsts and you are further ahead
Drasaitl Could get you a 2C +1 top 6 winger + 1st + a high end prospect
RNH could get you a great 3 C and a couple of decent prospects
You end up with 3 very good lines plus 3 first round picks and prospect to keep the team stacked for years . Fans are too focus on McDavid being the best in the world while the Oilers are one of the worst teams in the NHL . The Logo on the Jersey matters . Plus we owe it to McDavid . He should of already won a cup .
Friggin look at the Canucks . They flew pass the Oilers rebuild . NYR is about to and fans cry over the mention of trading RNH or Nurse LMAO
There no reason you can't start over again . The Oilers finally have D coming . I think the quickest turn around for this team is to trade every last forward on the team . McDavid included . The team got no heart , no drive and Mcdavid will demand a trade soon at which time his value drops .
McDavid could get you a 1C+1D+2 top 6 wingers from a good deep team . Add in a couple of firsts and you are further ahead
Drasaitl Could get you a 2C +1 top 6 winger + 1st + a high end prospect
RNH could get you a great 3 C and a couple of decent prospects
You end up with 3 very good lines plus 3 first round picks and prospect to keep the team stacked for years . Fans are too focus on McDavid being the best in the world while the Oilers are one of the worst teams in the NHL . The Logo on the Jersey matters . Plus we owe it to McDavid . He should of already won a cup .
Friggin look at the Canucks . They flew pass the Oilers rebuild . NYR is about to and fans cry over the mention of trading RNH or Nurse LMAO
If McDavid and Draisaitl scoring at a 140 point pace to start the season wasn't enough to bring the Rogers crowd out of its seat often enough, Taylor Hall's not doing it either.You may underestimate the state of the Oiler fan base. Even with McDavid, this is perhaps as apathetic as I have seen it since Pocklington dismantled the dynasty. Hall is actually a very dynamic player to watch live. He has his flaws but in terms of his ability to bring you out of your seat he is one of the better players in the league. He is also a guy that still carries a lot of cache amongst more casual fans.
Ultimately, winning is the real answer to bringing back interest in the team. And I agree that panic is not the right approach. But even in the first couple of months when the team was doing well it was still pretty dead at the games I went to. The audience is sophisticated enough to know that you can't win by simply playing road hockey. But I do think that they would like to see a little pizzazz added in the mix.
You know, there's a salary cap and the Oilers have no space under it.
I'm not sure they get there with a handful of playoff rentals if they aren't trending that way now.It comes down to whether or not one thinks we have a couple of seasons. That's why it's important this team makes the playoffs this year, they need to show things are headed in the right direction and I'm not sure they get there with the lineup as-is.
If McDavid and Draisaitl scoring at a 140 point pace to start the season wasn't enough to bring the Rogers crowd out of its seat often enough, Taylor Hall's not doing it either.
It still doesn't click for me why people think this team is one player away from a playoff spot. The biggest failure this team could have is buying into that rental market at it's highest cost and still missing the playoffs. That is a very real possibility. And do you want McDavid up in arms? Keep pissing away those future assets.
People complaining about our bottom 6 being trash but last years bottom 6 was trash also. People complaining about Holland not improving our bottom 6 from last year when he had 0 cap space to work with. What Holland did was the only thing he could do which was bring in low budget players for the bottom 6 and hope they gelled and played better then last years. And imo Holland did improve the bottom 6 over last year he Also brought in players to improve our pk over last year. Holland obviously still has lots of work to do bringing in a 2lw a 3c and a decent back up but those are bigger moves that will take a little more time.
Were 4 key players plus a couple of farm hands we already have ...That’s it exactly, were like 10 players away from icing a competitive team. Not 1 or 2, which is why I suggest we get as much depth for secondary assets as we can.
That’s it exactly, were like 10 players away from icing a competitive team. Not 1 or 2, which is why I suggest we get as much depth for secondary assets as we can.
Were 4 key players plus a couple of farm hands we already have ...
There no reason you can't start over again . The Oilers finally have D coming . I think the quickest turn around for this team is to trade every last forward on the team . McDavid included . The team got no heart , no drive and Mcdavid will demand a trade soon at which time his value drops .
McDavid could get you a 1C+1D+2 top 6 wingers from a good deep team . Add in a couple of firsts and you are further ahead
Drasaitl Could get you a 2C +1 top 6 winger + 1st + a high end prospect
RNH could get you a great 3 C and a couple of decent prospects
You end up with 3 very good lines plus 3 first round picks and prospect to keep the team stacked for years . Fans are too focus on McDavid being the best in the world while the Oilers are one of the worst teams in the NHL . The Logo on the Jersey matters . Plus we owe it to McDavid . He should of already won a cup .
Friggin look at the Canucks . They flew pass the Oilers rebuild . NYR is about to and fans cry over the mention of trading RNH or Nurse LMAO
Do you legitimately think this.. ?
I agree and I thinks it goes a little deeper than that.
I think that Holland looked at the deficiencies of this team and made a decision on how to address them with what was available to work with. The PK was terrible and many of the players he brought in addressed that problem and it was done by using as little cap space as possible which was a major limitation Holland had to deal with.
So considering he had little to no cap space Holland addressed the PK issue and he addressed part of the top 6 winger issue by dumping a bottom 6 (essentially useless player) like Lucic and adding a 20+ goal scorer in Neal.
Is Neal ideal...no. But Neal is a huge upgrade on Lucic in multiple ways and it greatly help the PP as well.
So Holland clearly improved a very important element in the game...special teams and he improved the winger issue on the team as well.
So as much as some posters want to deny the reality....Holland actually did improve the team.
Was it enough...of course not but only an impatient fool thinks that a GM was going to be able to deal with the reality that Chia left and turn it into a contender in one off season and 40+ regular season games.
The true measure of what kind of a job Holland has done as GM will come by next September.
This team must be a playoff lock trending to be a contender by then.
He isn’t really all that wrong. Exaggerated, perhaps, but it will take an overhaul.Do you legitimately think this.. ?
Holland could have traded for.....
Niskanen
Miller
Soderberg
Haula
Burakovsky
Brown
Kadri
Barrie
Gusev
Namestnikov
Fabbri
Stephenson
Hall
And probably made a trade for someone who hasn’t been traded for yet. Just calling up yamatomo and other plugs. The new Talbellini.
can we get Lowe back as GM yet.... honestly. He was our best GM since and after Lather......
Let's take a hypothetical walk here...
Say Holland picks up Tierney and Ennis from Ottawa and they still miss the post season. What is fundamentally different?