Speculation: Roster Speculation Part VII

[Duddy]

We haven't had a good bottom 6 since forever, if it is so easy to find such players, why do we only have two?

You keep the players that do their jobs good and punt the others

 

[Team Cozens]

No. No he doesn't. He is an effective NHL player. I thought we learned our lesson about making trades based on stupid narratives?

Or some people overvalue players who have not hockey IQ. We have way too many in that category.

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

We haven't had a good bottom 6 since forever, if it is so easy to find such players, why do we only have two?

You keep the players that do their jobs good and punt the others

agreed on all accounts, except no one wants the receive those punts.

In all honesty, i would be all for trading Tage for a pick or something we can package in a bigger deal, assuming he wouldn't fetch much on his own.

 

[Zman5778]

Or some people overvalue players who have not hockey IQ. We have way too many in that category.

Agreed. The problem is those low IQ/talent players are inhabiting our middle 6 (Mitts excluded). Larsson/Girgensons may have low offensive IQ, but they're a terror to play against in both zones. They are the only 2 forwards on this team right now that make the opposition work for every inch of ice they get. If we trade one or both of them -- by this time next year, we're begging to find players of exactly that ilk. Guys like Larsson and Girgensons are EXACTLY the type of player that thrive in the offseason, once we get there.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If I'm Botts, after seeing what's transpired in Minnesota, I'm calling Fenton and sniffing around Zucker, Brodin, Spurgeon, and Dumba. Fenton may be the new Benning - an old-school GM who had the good fortune of being an AGM on a team that had success, but can't sit in the big chair. Friedman seems to believe that the Wild are in the midst of a mini-teardown, and almost nobody would be off-limits. While I doubt they'd trade Spurgeon or Dumba, I could see Zucker or Brodin moved.

Also, Buffalo should keep tabs on Nashville. Sounds like the Preds badly want Duchene, and would like to extend him immediately. Friedman said if they do that, he could see Turris getting flipped. Unfortunately, Botts is so invested in Mitts as the 2C, I don't think Botts would jump at Turris. Finally, Friedman noted that Nashville has a bunch of "secondary" guys who they need to pay this offseason, and they may not be able to keep all of them. While it's more likely they'd be moved after the season, guys like Sissons, Hartman, or Fiala could get moved.

Yes to Brodin, Zucker, Sissons, and Hartman.

 

[sabremike]

Guys like Larsson and Girgensons are EXACTLY the type of player that thrive in the offseason, once we get there.

Know you meant postseason but that made me chuckle!

 

[TehDoak]

Agreed. The problem is those low IQ/talent players are inhabiting our middle 6 (Mitts excluded). Larsson/Girgensons may have low offensive IQ, but they're a terror to play against in both zones. They are the only 2 forwards on this team right now that make the opposition work for every inch of ice they get. If we trade one or both of them -- by this time next year, we're begging to find players of exactly that ilk. Guys like Larsson and Girgensons are EXACTLY the type of player that thrive in the offseason, once we get there.

I have no issue, but they are certainly replaceable. If one (or both) attract interest at the TDL, there is zero reason to move them if we can garner a return (I'd say a 2nd round pick or B level prospect at this point would be very hard to turn down for either)

It isn't simply about moving out players who don't do their job. Given their roles, both Girgensons and Larsson do their job fine. It's about making little changes that will add up to better results. Putting together a 4th line that can score 25-30 goals a season rather than 10-12 goals and have players that can move up in case of injuries rather than players who are, essentially, career 4th liners.

 

[Aladyyn]

I have no issue, but they are certainly replaceable. If one (or both) attract interest at the TDL, there is zero reason to move them if we can garner a return (I'd say a 2nd round pick or B level prospect at this point would be very hard to turn down for either)

It isn't simply about moving out players who don't do their job. Given their roles, both Girgensons and Larsson do their job fine. It's about making little changes that will add up to better results. Putting together a 4th line that can score 25-30 goals a season rather than 10-12 goals and have players that can move up in case of injuries rather than players who are, essentially, career 4th liners.

The current GM has not shown the ability to replace these players.

Carrier and Foligno were deemed replaceable and we're still waiting...

 

[Sabreality]

How bout we try to get more top 9 scoring instead of worrying about the scoring we get from Gus-Larry. If we do that, their roles become even more important in limiting chances against and being a pain in the ass to play against, I can't wait to see them in a playoff series.

Any playoff GM would love to add Larsson, opposing coaches/GM's know all about him and how hard he is to play against and the effort he brings, getting him for peanuts, while still being RFA would be a great score....and I would be livid.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

 

[CatsforReinhart]

We haven't had a good bottom 6 since forever, if it is so easy to find such players, why do we only have two?

You keep the players that do their jobs good and punt the others

We haven't been able to find a good bottom 6 because our 2nd and 3rd lines should be 3rd and 4th lines. Once you realize that you get it.

When you are a bad team and you are talking about 4th line players....yikes.

 

[Icicle]

Did Hoffman forget to include us on his NTC??

 

[CatsforReinhart]

I don't agree that Girgensons and Larsson are a dime a dozen. Not world beaters, surely, but neither was Danny Paille.

You mean an underachieving 2oth overall pic for a 3rd and a 4th round pick?

 

[CrazyPsycho]

What. The. f***.

 

[Sabreality]

It's probably just date night and they want to see what a team that's actually fighting to get into the playoffs looks like.

 

[jc17]

Maybe they forgot which team was theirs

 

[GellMann]

That's, uh, somethin

 

[jc17]

In reality the intern just forgot to take the sign down from last game, but speculation is more fun

 

[1972]

This fan base flat out deserves better. None of us can control anything about this team, the big guys getting paid to turn this around have not done their jobs period. This isn’t rocket science, we need to win and put a product on the ice that is exceptable. It’s like Murray and even Botterill both don’t get it for completely different reasons. Opposite ends of the spectrum, this team needs someone between those two.

 

[1972]

Lol I’d love to see Kim or Terry’s scouting report. They know how to make money, they don’t know a thing about winning championships.

 

[Chainshot]

I have no issue, but they are certainly replaceable. If one (or both) attract interest at the TDL, there is zero reason to move them if we can garner a return (I'd say a 2nd round pick or B level prospect at this point would be very hard to turn down for either)

It isn't simply about moving out players who don't do their job. Given their roles, both Girgensons and Larsson do their job fine. It's about making little changes that will add up to better results. Putting together a 4th line that can score 25-30 goals a season rather than 10-12 goals and have players that can move up in case of injuries rather than players who are, essentially, career 4th liners.

Yes, magic beans for useful players. Tank on.

 

[Yatzhee]

The kind of thing that happens when your contemplating trading a franchise player for $1000 Alex

 

[Chainshot]

Lol I’d love to see Kim or Terry’s scouting report. They know how to make money, they don’t know a thing about winning championships.

Maybe someone on one of those teams is full of natural gas?

 

[Team Cozens]

Did Hoffman forget to include us on his NTC??

If there was a ONE team no trade clause, it would be us.

 

[jcbeze]

Maybe someone on one of those teams is full of natural gas?

Perhaps they see some *untapped" potential