Rank the Canadian teams going forward

[Keneeyo Fato Boiyo]

You seemed surprised anyone could compare montreal to calgary- I used regulation losses to point out that calgary had 2 of them to Montreal. Calgary benefits from playing in what is probably this years weakest division.

If I had to Rank the cdn teams today its

Jets
Leafs (although playoff success won't come until they address their D)

Calgary
Mtl

Vancouver/EDM

Ottawa

3 years from now

Jets

Leafs/Habs/Vancouver

Cal/EDM

Ott

Ok what?!? The Pacific is the weakest division in the NHL? You do realize the top 3 teams in the Pacific are all top 7 in the NHL right? Including The Flames at 2nd overall?

The Flames losses to Montreal were early in the season when they were still getting used to a new coach, systems and players etc.

I wouldn't read too much into that tbh.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

MY faith in Edm is because of Klef, MCDAVID, Drasi, Nugget, it's a solid AF core who needs new management.
I know theres a whole CAL vs EDM but I have more faith in EDM core than Calgary.

That's really less then a line and one decent defenseman. That's a pretty poor core outside of McDavid. Calgary's core is a lot deeper right now through the top 6 and their blueline.

Especially with their younger players who have stepped in when needed without missing a beat.

The problem with Edmonton though is the work of rebuilding the rest of the team outside of the core, especially with the cap situation isn't a quick fix, its a long term dilemma. In other words, its likely that they're trapped in mediocrity for a while unless they look a rebuild in the face.

 

[crackdown44]

No I am saying don't let 50 games of regular season go to your head and assume that translates to playoff success. I am saying I will not call them a playoff success until they show me they are capable of making it and winning a series or two.

I found it funny for a Flames guy to be talking playoff success to anyone other than a bluejackets fan.

Montreal has three players who have won a playoff series with the Habs. Petry, Gallagher, Price

Calgary has six who have won a series with the team. Giordano, Brodie, Backlund, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett

Good argument for you again though

 

[Bank Shot]

That's really less then a line and one decent defenseman. That's a pretty poor core outside of McDavid. Calgary's core is a lot deeper right now through the top 6 and their blueline.

Especially with their younger players who have stepped in when needed without missing a beat.

The problem with Edmonton though is the work of rebuilding the rest of the team outside of the core, especially with the cap situation isn't a quick fix, its a long term dilemma. In other words, its likely that they're trapped in mediocrity for a while unless they look a rebuild in the face.

Calgary is relying on 5 guys.

They are going to pay Tkachuk big next year. Gaudreau and Giordano will be gone in three years. The rest is unspectacular.

 

[skuzzycuzz]

You actually think Montreal has a better chance of winning a playoff round than Calgary? I’ll have some of what you’re smoking please

Me too!! I look at Montreal’s line up and it’s pretty clear that they are already overachieving. I don’t think it’s unreasoanle that they will be getting worse not better. Not much coming up the pipelines.

 

[djpatm]

Calgary is relying on 5 guys.

They are going to pay Tkachuk big next year. Gaudreau and Giordano will be gone in three years. The rest is unspectacular.

McDavid will demand a trade in three years.

See, we can just make up things too.

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

Calgary is relying on 5 guys.

They are going to pay Tkachuk big next year. Gaudreau and Giordano will be gone in three years. The rest is unspectacular.

What team doesn't rely on there top 5 players? And McD will want a trade out of the mess in Edmonton in three years.

 

[Volica]

Calgary is relying on 5 guys.

They are going to pay Tkachuk big next year. Gaudreau and Giordano will be gone in three years. The rest is unspectacular.

f*** me. Still 4 more guys than Edmonton.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

not talking "on paper" but I can bet with you that Mtl will have more points or will go further in Series than Calgary.


and please, Calgary has ZERO prospects center depth nor Goalie depth. They trade well, they dont draft well.
They are a bubble team this year, they will fall off.

Calgary drafting is terrible, you do well with D but Winger, center, and Goalie outside the top 10 were not good pick (Gaudreau was a steal)

Calgary has zero prospects and doesn't draft well.

Certainly a cute take.

Here is a team sitting second in the NHL with the following players being a result of amateur scouting :

Johnny Gaudreau
Mark Giordano
David Rittich
Sean Monahan
Matthew Tkachuk
Michael Backlund
Sam Bennett
Mark Jankowski
TJ Brodie
Juuso Valimaki
Oliver Kylington
Rasmus Andersson
Andrew Mangiapane
Dillon Dube
Garnet Hathaway

That's only fifteen out of a twenty three man roster being amateur scouting pieces, including a complete top pair, and four out of six of their top six forwards, and a starting goaltender. From a team that has yet to draft top three in franchise history, unlike every other Canadian team.

And that Lindholm trade? Two of the three peices of that trade were Micheal Ferland and Adam Fox, both amateur scouting wins for Calgary. And Winnipeg's goalie having a great season? Also a Flames draft pick. Montreal's also giving a former Flames draft pick 17:16 a night of ATOI. Vancouver's also still playing Flames amateur scouting castoffs Granlund and Baertschi 15+ minutes a night.

Also amusing to hear about Calgary's lack of goalie depth, as if that's a unique situation and not a typical one throughout the NHL. And even then they've got some magic beans in Parsons, Schneider, McDonald, and even Gillies.

Bad center depth? That's a clueless comment in its own right. They may not be the Penguins but their center depth is one of abundance.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

What are you on about?

-Calgary has 5 ppg players, but yah Gio is doing everything
-Monahan 24, Backlund 29, Jankowski 24, Dube 20. We’ll be alright.
-Monahan 24, Gaudreau 25, Tkachuk 21, Lindholm 24, Jankowski 24, Bennett 22, Dube 20. We’re good for years yet.
-We’ve been rebuilding since trading Iggy
-Rittich is 26 and putting up starting numbers
-Replacing Gio? That’s tough sure, but luckily, we have Hanifin 21, Brodie 28, Hamonic 28, Vallimaki 20, Andersson 22, and Kylington 21

Our prospect pool is poor because everyone has graduated in the past 2-3 years. Our core is crazy young outside of Gio and locked up for years to come.

But ok, Montreal, wildcard Montreal, with their +4 goal differential, are a powerhouse, while Calgary (1st in WC, Pacific, and 2nd in the league, with a +44 goal differential) are a bubble team

you do know that Mtl is younger that Calgary right ? Mtl is the youngest team in the league with 1-2 other team...

 

[crackdown44]

What team doesn't rely on there top 5 players? And McD will want a trade out of the mess in Edmonton in three years.

Lol Tampa isn’t even that good if you take away Point, Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos and Vasilevskiy

 

[crackdown44]

you do know that Mtl is younger that Calgary right ? Mtl is the youngest team in the league with 1-2 other team...

You do know that Calgary is better than montreal right? Calgary is top 2 in standings with 1 other team

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Montreal has three players who have won a playoff series with the Habs. Petry, Gallagher, Price

Calgary has six who have won a series with the team. Giordano, Brodie, Backlund, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett

Good argument for you again though

the last time you won a serie was because of Hartley in 2014, and then you go all the way back to 2004. MTL is way more build to do well in playoffs than calgary, Wanna bet that we will go further down because we do have a real #1 goaltender

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

You do know that Calgary is better than montreal right? Calgary is top 2 in standings with 1 other team

oh please, first time since 15 years you are first in the Pacific, do we go look how many time during those last years that Mtl was first ?
Also, the Pacific is freaking weak to a point where it's laughable.

 

[tmurfin]

you do know that Mtl is younger that Calgary right ? Mtl is the youngest team in the league with 1-2 other team...

And? That doesn’t mean much when none of the young players are better than the Flames’. Price and Weber are 31 and 33, who’s going to replace them btw?

 

[crackdown44]

the last time you won a serie was because of Hartley in 2014, and then you go all the way back to 2004. MTL is way more build to do well in playoffs than calgary, Wanna bet that we will go further down because we do have a real #1 goaltender

My whole point was the last time a team wins a series doesn’t matter, because of how much turnover both teams have had since then. You guys are both really stubborn and regularly miss the key points of every reply you get

Montreal has better goaltending than Calgary, yes. I should hope they do for 10.5 mil per year. Calgary is better at every single other thing though, I’ll take that

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

And? That doesn’t mean much when none of the young players are better than the Flames’. Price and Weber are 31 and 33, who’s going to replace them btw?

Weber ? romanov or Brook
Price ? Primeau

Wanna keep up ?

 

[skuzzycuzz]

You do know that Calgary is better than montreal right? Calgary is top 2 in standings with 1 other team

I want some of whatever these Montreal fans are smoking! Holy shit they are delusional.

 

[tmurfin]

Weber ? romanov or Brook
Price ? Primeau

Wanna keep up ?

Never heard of them

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

My whole point was the last time a team wins a series doesn’t matter, because of how much turnover both teams have had since then. You guys are both really stubborn and regularly miss the key points of every reply you get

Montreal has better goaltending than Calgary, yes. I should hope they do for 10.5 mil per year. Calgary is better at every single other thing though, I’ll take that

ya because you have been rebuilding since 15 years, Mtl almost doing better with a quick retool. That's why I'm saying your drafting scouts are terrible.

 

[perronist]

this guy really is forrest gump if he were a habs fan. A++++ well named

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Never heard of them

I figured you wouldn't

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

Weber ? romanov or Brook
Price ? Primeau

Wanna keep up ?

Ya.. I'm sure they will and Kylington will replace Gio.

 

[tmurfin]

ya because you have been rebuilding since 15 years, Mtl almost doing better with a quick retool. That's why I'm saying your drafting scouts are terrible.

Almost doing better , 10 points back in the standings, top two players are 30+ and overpaid, and worst young core. Yah they’re *almost* better. So close

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Ya.. I'm sure they will and Kylington will replace Gio.

if there's one thing I like it's your D drafting.
you have great prospects, now time will tell us if they will become first pairing or second or third.