Rank the Canadian teams going forward

CDN24

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You actually think Montreal has a better chance of winning a playoff round than Calgary? I’ll have some of what you’re smoking please

Montreal has lost 18 games in regulation this year and Calgary has lost 13 in regulation but 2 of those losses did come against the Habs. They are not so far apart me thinks. I'm sure both Habs and Flames fans would be happy to settle the who is best argument in the finals. Do we get the 86 result or 89 one?
 

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Much better to place your faith in Benning, the OBC in Edmonton, and Molson/Bergevin instead of groups who have built young elite teams. Got it. We will see in 3 years.

MY faith in Edm is because of Klef, MCDAVID, Drasi, Nugget, it's a solid AF core who needs new management.
I know theres a whole CAL vs EDM but I have more faith in EDM core than Calgary.
 

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Montreal has lost 18 games in regulation this year and Calgary has lost 13 in regulation but 2 of those losses did come against the Habs. They are not so far apart me thinks. I'm sure both Habs and Flames fans would be happy to settle the who is best argument in the finals. Do we get the 86 result or 89 one?

Montreal has lost 18 games in regulation this year and Philly has lost 23. At least one of those Montreal losses (haven’t checked others just know this one because it was recent) came against Philadelphia. I think they are pretty close together imo
 
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Montreal has lost 18 games in regulation this year and Philly has lost 23. At least one of those Montreal losses (haven’t checked others just know this one because it was recent) came against Philadelphia. I think they are pretty close together imo

When did Philly become a Canadian team, I thought we were ranking Canadian teams?

Calgary is on a good run 8-1-1 in their last 10 games. How many of those 10 were against teams currently in a playoff spot? 2. Boston and Colorado who hold down the last spot in the west. They lost to the Bruins. Personally I think Mtl and Calgary are pretty close.
 
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Montreal has lost 18 games in regulation this year and Calgary has lost 13 in regulation but 2 of those losses did come against the Habs. They are not so far apart me thinks. I'm sure both Habs and Flames fans would be happy to settle the who is best argument in the finals. Do we get the 86 result or 89 one?

The second game Montreal had no business being in, but we had Smith in net and price went god mode. The Habs are so far away from being a SC team... Who on there roster other than price screams top end? JG, Monahan and Tkachuk are all better than any Montreal forward and Lindholm is debatable to.
 

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When did Philly become a Canadian team, I thought we were ranking Canadian teams?

Calgary is on a good run 8-1-1 in their last 10 games. How many of those 10 were against teams currently in a playoff spot? 2. Boston and Colorado who hold down the last spot in the west. They lost to the Bruins. Personally I think Mtl and Calgary are pretty close.

I mean you brought up regulation losses as an argument so I showed you it was a bad one. Montreal and Calgary are no closer than Calgary and Tampa are this season

Montreal’s last two losses were to Philadelphia and St Louis who are bottom of the pack teams so what does that say about them?
 

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Without a solid ownership group put into place here in Ottawa,yep we dead last for many years.....
 

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When did Philly become a Canadian team, I thought we were ranking Canadian teams?

Calgary is on a good run 8-1-1 in their last 10 games. How many of those 10 were against teams currently in a playoff spot? 2. Boston and Colorado who hold down the last spot in the west. They lost to the Bruins. Personally I think Mtl and Calgary are pretty close.

The ten games previous to that they were 5-3-2 with wins against SJ, Winnipeg and making Tampa's backup go God mode for an SOL
The ten games previous to that they were 8-1-1, with wins against Nashville, Winnipeg, Vegas and Clumbus
The ten games previous to that they were 6-2-2, with wins against Toronto, Buffalo, Colorado and an OTL to Washington.

Good teams win lots of games, more at 11.
 

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I'm basing mine on a combination of playoff and regular season success over the next few years.

Winnipeg
Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
Ottawa
Edmonton
 

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IMO this should be a thread in a month from now after the TDL. Even though this is more of a offseason question. The answers will change every other week depending on who is hot and who is cold.
 
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IMO this should be a thread in a month from now after the TDL. Even though this is more of a offseason question. The answers will change every other week depending on who is hot and who is cold.
Well it’s a hockey discussion board. I’m sure the issue will be raised monthly. No reason to wait until the TDL.
Most seem to be looking at the longer term picture.
 

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Using a 5 year overall outlook all speculation.

1)*Calgary
2)*Toronto
3)*Winnepeg
4)*Vancouver
5)Montreal
6)Edmonton
7)Ottawa

*Playoffs minimum 3 out of 5 years




Calgary in the next 5 years imo will be the most successful, I have them in the playoffs each one of those years. This year they have an opportunity for a very deep run and if so the following 2 years after won't be much of a stretch to do the same. Top Players will still be in their primes and the veterans (Gio, Backlund, Hamonic)will be properly replaced with young pieces Valimaki, Hanifin, Dube. Calgary has a history of making moves and signings to strengthen their weak spots(better or worse) I took this as a factor.

Toronto will be an interesting case. They really need to answer some questions in the next few years, will they overspend on their youth? Will they acquire a #1 defensemen? Can Freddy stay consistent? They have the offense to propel them into the offseason every year. It will be very difficult to surpass and compete with Tampa, Washington, Boston, Pittsburgh hell even the Islanders the next few years and when the windows close on some(Pitts,wash,Bos{temporary closure}) they have to deal with other teams on the rise like Buffalo. The east is strong with youth and poise, Toronto has the youth part in spades.

With Winnepeg, health and growth need to be consistent. In 5 years they have a lot of aging core pieces in Buff, Wheeler, little and Myers who could be retired or gone via Ufa. Hellebuyck, Schieffle and Trouba will be entering their 30' s and the youth of Morrisey, Laine and Connor might not be enough to even make the playoffs in years 4 & 5. To top that off SJ, VGK, Cgy and Nashville will be their measuring stick these next 2 years and personally I don't see they them making it through any come post season.

Vancouver, a little bit of hommerism but going off some potential here. Big youth movement with lots of cap space. If they can find a way into the post season or just outside this year the next four will be built upon. Agruably will have one of the best 1-2 centre combo in Pettersson and Horvat to go along with a soon to be rocket candidate every year Boeser a top Defensive and Goalie prospect to be a mainstay for the next decade in Hughes and Demko they have the youth to open a new window while other West teams windows will be closing (SJ, Nash, WPG, VGK). Canucks next 2 years will be a learning curve and growth period years 3-5 they could be among the league's best.


The Canadiens will have to go through a few years of finding their identity. Weber and Price most likely gone in a few years and Gallagher, Petrey, Tatar potentially also gonegone leadership will have to come from somewhere else. They have a great outlook with some top prospects and youth in the pipeline but will be missing some core pieces now and into the future.

McDavid can only do so much, Edmonton needs to clean house and build a new leadership team if it's not obvious enough already. With some nice core prices of RNH, Draisltl, Larsson, Klefbom and youth in Bouchard, Nurse and Pulijjarvi they have the start of a nice team, but, are already well behind other West coast teams be it this year or over the next 5 years. Too many factors be it Trading woes, UFA signings and Drafting over these next 5 years might not be enough to catch the rest of the West.

The Sens look rough with no first round pick and a thin pipeline of prospects. No Karlsson and with Duchene, Ryan and Stone possibly following out the door. Can't expect a trade to recoup the lost assets. Could this be Andersons last season? Nothing to draw in big UFA's, Too many ?'s. Even in the scenario to sign everyone is the team even good enough to make the post season in 5 years? Probably not. Going forward it looks like only Tkchuk, Chabot and White are the only notable pieces, great players but too many holes everywhere else. Things can turn around quick to give a better outlook but even with that in mind in 5 years they may only have 1 season of success.
 

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I mean you brought up regulation losses as an argument so I showed you it was a bad one. Montreal and Calgary are no closer than Calgary and Tampa are this season

Montreal’s last two losses were to Philadelphia and St Louis who are bottom of the pack teams so what does that say about them?

You seemed surprised anyone could compare montreal to calgary- I used regulation losses to point out that calgary had 2 of them to Montreal. Calgary benefits from playing in what is probably this years weakest division.

If I had to Rank the cdn teams today its

Jets
Leafs (although playoff success won't come until they address their D)

Calgary
Mtl

Vancouver/EDM

Ottawa

3 years from now

Jets

Leafs/Habs/Vancouver

Cal/EDM

Ott
 

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You seemed surprised anyone could compare montreal to calgary- I used regulation losses to point out that calgary had 2 of them to Montreal. Calgary benefits from playing in what is probably this years weakest division.

If I had to Rank the cdn teams today its

Jets
Leafs (although playoff success won't come until they address their D)

Calgary
Mtl

Vancouver/EDM

Ottawa

3 years from now

Jets

Leafs/Habs/Vancouver

Cal/EDM

Ott

Yet you have the Jets in first when Calgary has more points, a better points percentage and has beaten them twice in regulation this year. I understand that you haven’t watched any flames games other than the two against Montreal but they are a far better team. Their record shows it and your arguments aren’t doing your team any favors lol
 

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MY faith in Edm is because of Klef, MCDAVID, Drasi, Nugget, it's a solid AF core who needs new management.
I know theres a whole CAL vs EDM but I have more faith in EDM core than Calgary.

That's awesome. What flavor is the Kool-Aid?

Edmonton has demonstrated the ability to build a Nothing Team for over a decade. I have faith that they'll continue to build a Nothing Team.
 

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it's such a vague statement, good right now, or good in the near future ?

if we are talking right now:

1. Toronto
2. Jets
3. Montreal
4. Calgary ( riding on Gaudreau and their random goalie is too scary for me)
5. Edmonton
6. Vancouver
7. Ottawa

But, let's ranked the teams prediction for in 3 years ranking

1. Toronto
2. Montreal
3. Vancouver
4. Edmonton
5. Jets
6. Calgary
7. Ottawa

Interesting.....

In what way is Montreal a better team than Calgary?

Also curious as to why everyone thinks Calgary will suddenly fall off in two years? Other than Giordano, the core parts of the team are either just entering their prime or have yet to enter their prime. Although Gio is likely to fall off shortly, the Flames also have a bunch of young defenders who are likely to get much better: Hanfiin, Valimaki, Anderson, and Kylington.

Riding Gaudreau? You realize that the Flames have 5 PPG players. Yes, Gaudreau elevates other players, but you don't end up with 5 PPG players unless at least some of those players are good in their own right.

The Flames will be a force for at least until Gaudreau's contract is up in 3 years. Winnipeg is arguably better now (although the numbers say the Flames are better), but is likely to fall off before the Flames. Tavares is Wheeler is 32, Little is 31, and Byfuglien is 33. Yes, the Jets have lots of depth beyond that, but they won't be as successful without those players in their primes.

I also think the Toronto roster just isn't as complete as Calgary's. They have better centre depth by a country mile, but lack defensive depth and Gardiner is likely leaving.
 

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The second game Montreal had no business being in, but we had Smith in net and price went god mode. The Habs are so far away from being a SC team... Who on there roster other than price screams top end? JG, Monahan and Tkachuk are all better than any Montreal forward and Lindholm is debatable to.

Much like the first one where Rittich went in god mode. Habs had 40+ shots in that one and were lucky to win it. Rittich will be key for Flames going forward.

Top end
Kotkaniemi will be in about 2 years. He is on pace for 37 points in his 1st year after being drafted. Monahan had about 35 his 1st year as well. Kotkaniemi is also 9 months younger than Monahan was his rookie season.

Habs prospect pool is way better (they still have to work out) Flames have drafted one guy in 1st 3 rounds last 2 seasons combined. Habs have drafted 11 in top 3 rounds last 2 years.

In Cap era sometimes it is also what you don't have - not having a james neal type contract will help the Habs. They are obviously at different spots along the development curve, Flames are in win now mode- Habs are in win 3-4 years from now mode. Today Flames are the better team, but that flips in next 2 years IMO
 

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Interesting.....

In what way is Montreal a better team than Calgary?

Also curious as to why everyone thinks Calgary will suddenly fall off in two years? Other than Giordano, the core parts of the team are either just entering their prime or have yet to enter their prime. Although Gio is likely to fall off shortly, the Flames also have a bunch of young defenders who are likely to get much better: Hanfiin, Valimaki, Anderson, and Kylington.

Riding Gaudreau? You realize that the Flames have 5 PPG players. Yes, Gaudreau elevates other players, but you don't end up with 5 PPG players unless at least some of those players are good in their own right.

The Flames will be a force for at least until Gaudreau's contract is up in 3 years. Winnipeg is arguably better now (although the numbers say the Flames are better), but is likely to fall off before the Flames. Tavares is Wheeler is 32, Little is 31, and Byfuglien is 33. Yes, the Jets have lots of depth beyond that, but they won't be as successful without those players in their primes.

I also think the Toronto roster just isn't as complete as Calgary's. They have better centre depth by a country mile, but lack defensive depth and Gardiner is likely leaving.

not talking "on paper" but I can bet with you that Mtl will have more points or will go further in Series than Calgary.


and please, Calgary has ZERO prospects center depth nor Goalie depth. They trade well, they dont draft well.
They are a bubble team this year, they will fall off.

Calgary drafting is terrible, you do well with D but Winger, center, and Goalie outside the top 10 were not good pick (Gaudreau was a steal)
 
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Much like the first one where Rittich went in god mode. Habs had 40+ shots in that one and were lucky to win it. Rittich will be key for Flames going forward.

Top end
Kotkaniemi will be in about 2 years. He is on pace for 37 points in his 1st year after being drafted. Monahan had about 35 his 1st year as well. Kotkaniemi is also 9 months younger than Monahan was his rookie season.

Habs prospect pool is way better (they still have to work out) Flames have drafted one guy in 1st 3 rounds last 2 seasons combined. Habs have drafted 11 in top 3 rounds last 2 years.

In Cap era sometimes it is also what you don't have - not having a james neal type contract will help the Habs. They are obviously at different spots along the development curve, Flames are in win now mode- Habs are in win 3-4 years from now mode. Today Flames are the better team, but that flips in next 2 years IMO

Montreal has no top end prospects that will be a JG, MT or SM, but obviously if you guys think you do that's fine to.. Time will tell, but the Flames will have the same core in 2 or 3 years.
 

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Calgary is definitely on Winnipeg's level this year. Better defensively with the new coach and system. Getting better goaltending right now as well. Scoring like crazy. Only thing they are missing as I see it is the experience and even the Jets are still a bit green themselves.

Not sure what's up with Toronto, but they should be right there with those two teams in the standings.

Whoever wins the Pacific is going to benefit big time because that 2vs3 series is going to be a grind.

Winnipeg, Calgary, Toronto all have a fair shot at the Cup this year. That's all that matters really. Everyone else is playing for the future.
 
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not talking "on paper" but I can bet with you that Mtl will have more points or will go further in Series than Calgary.


and please, Calgary has ZERO prospects center depth nor Goalie depth. They trade well, they dont draft well.
They are a bubble team this year, they will fall off.

Calgary drafting is terrible, you do well with D but that's it.

They drafted 4 of their top 5 forwards and their top D pairing so that’s an interesting take.

I’ve never seen a bubble team be first in the conference halfway through the season.

Also I don’t know why they need a ton of center prospect depth when their top 3C’s are either locked up for 4-5 years or under team control
 

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not talking "on paper" but I can bet with you that Mtl will have more points or will go further in Series than Calgary.


and please, Calgary has ZERO prospects center depth nor Goalie depth. They trade well, they dont draft well.
They are a bubble team this year, they will fall off.

Lol...Montreal is just randomly better in the playoffs than Calgary? Okay.

Calgary has Parsons and Rittich as young goaltenders. Goaltending is also the easiest position to acquire via FA or trade. Very few teams have drafted their current starting goaltenders.

Calgary's drafting has also been great lately. Yes Calgary is even better at trading, but a large portion of their roster was drafted by them. Calgary also doesn't need higher end centre, or really forward prospects at all right now. Their top 4 forwards of Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, and Tkachuk are very young, and don't need replacement for at least another 3 seasons (when Gaudreau's contract expires).
 

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