Rank the Canadian teams going forward

[Dan403]

Calgary has their key players tied up for years to come. (Johhny, Monohan, Lindholm, Hanafin)

They need to resign Chucky, but will have $$ to do that.

And they have good young depth on defense.

They'll be fine.


Edmonton is over paying players and has done for years. They have next to nothing in the pipe.

Toronto is gonna be in Cap Hell as early as this summer.

 

[Backhandbeauty]

You seemed surprised anyone could compare montreal to calgary- I used regulation losses to point out that calgary had 2 of them to Montreal. Calgary benefits from playing in what is probably this years weakest division.

If I had to Rank the cdn teams today its

Jets
Leafs (although playoff success won't come until they address their D)

Calgary
Mtl

Vancouver/EDM

Ottawa

3 years from now

Jets

Leafs/Habs/Vancouver

Cal/EDM

Ott

Please don't bring up benefiting from playing in a weak division. Have done self awareness. The Atlantic is trash after the top 3.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Now:
Jets
Leafs
Flames
Habs
Canucks
Oilers
Sens

In 3 Years:
Canucks (New core led by Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes & Horvat. Plenty of good complimentary youngsters in Virtanen, Gaudette, Juolevi, Demko etc.)
Habs (new core led by Kotkanieni, Suzuki, Domi & Drouin)
Flames (Will be good now and in 3 years, good young talent throughout the lineup)
Jets (are a heavy team, is they slow even half a step could wind up like LA or Anaheim in the future, need to get quicker)
Leafs (Tavares will have declined, out of their big 3 Marner is trending in the right direction, Matthews is having injury & inconsistency issues, Leaf nation already regretting the Nylander signing)
Oilers (Always have a chance with 97, but if Chia continues to mortgage the future to make the playoffs he will set them back. If Chia is still the GM next year, yikes.)
Sens (horrible ownership & that’s not changing. Will most likely lose Duchene & Stone for nothing. Dorion made some horrible trades and costed them potentially a top 3 pick).

 

[CDN24]

Yet you have the Jets in first when Calgary has more points, a better points percentage and has beaten them twice in regulation this year. I understand that you haven’t watched any flames games other than the two against Montreal but they are a far better team. Their record shows it and your arguments aren’t doing your team any favors lol

Have you watched any Jets games other than the 2 against the Flames. I have watched 7-8 jets and Flames games this year. You are 5 pts ahead with 2 extra games played. Flames have the easier division. I think the jets are a far superior team to the Flames and would pick them in a playoff series with the jets today. Yes Flames beat them twice. I watched the first one, jets backup awful in that one. Jets outshot you badly but Brossitt was bad.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

They drafted 4 of their top 5 forwards and their top D pairing so that’s an interesting take.

I’ve never seen a bubble team be first in the conference halfway through the season.

Also I don’t know why they need a ton of center prospect depth when their top 3C’s are either locked up for 4-5 years or under team control

Look, you can say what you want but Calgary is not drafting well at all. Outside from top 6 pick with Tkachuk and Mon you have been drafting extremely terrible outside your D prospects.

- Worst prospect pool in the NHL for Center depth
- Worst Prospect pool for Forward Depth
- Underwhelming and not represented in Playoffs since Kiprusoff and Iginla
- STill no good future #1 goaltender since Kiprusoff


Calgary is on a bubble this year with Gio doing everything, they are not as good as you think when you compare to Edmonton.

 

[crackdown44]

Have you watched any Jets games other than the 2 against the Flames. I have watched 7-8 jets and Flames games this year. You are 5 pts ahead with 2 extra games played. Flames have the easier division. I think the jets are a far superior team to the Flames and would pick them in a playoff series with the jets today. Yes Flames beat them twice. I watched the first one, jets backup awful in that one. Jets outshot you badly but Brossitt was bad.

I notice you change your arguments every time I show you that they are wrong so I’m not going to waste anymore time with this. Have a good day

 

[MNRube]

TML - Tavares, Marner, Rielly, Matthews, Anderson is a great core. Plenty of leftover trade chips.

CGY - Gaudreau is unbelievable and the Lindholm brought their team much needed balance.

WPG - Some big pieces are older and Laine has lost a bit of luster, but still stacked with a good farm.

VAN - Horvat, EP, Boeser, Hughes. Canucks have an enviable core of young talent. Just need patience here.

MTL - Been a terrific year for Habs. Have restocked the cupboard with youth whike maintaining relevance. A retool done right.

OTT - Gonna be ugly for awhile. Best to keep building.

EDM - Utterly pathetic. Sorry Oil fans.

 

[crackdown44]

Look, you can say what you want but Calgary is not drafting well at all. Outside from top 6 pick with Tkachuk and Mon you have been drafting extremely terribly outside your D prospects.

- Worst prospect pool in the NHL for Center depth
- Worst Prospect pool for Forward Depth
- Underwhelming and not represented in Playoffs since Kiprusoff
- STill no good future #1 goaltender since Kiprusoff


Calgary is on a bubble this year with Gio doing everything, they are not as good as you think when you compare to Edmonton.

Their underlying stats show that they are one of the best teams in the league, just like the standings do. I just showed you why they don’t need forward prospect depth right now, their core is locked up long term on good contracts (except tkachuk). They have plenty of time to restock their pool, they won’t be losing any top forwards for a long time

Also Gaudreau was drafted in the 4th round, Backlund late first

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

Look, you can say what you want but Calgary is not drafting well at all. Outside from top 6 pick with Tkachuk and Mon you have been drafting extremely terrible outside your D prospects.

- Worst prospect pool in the NHL for Center depth
- Worst Prospect pool for Forward Depth
- Underwhelming and not represented in Playoffs since Kiprusoff and Iginla
- STill no good future #1 goaltender since Kiprusoff


Calgary is on a bubble this year with Gio doing everything, they are not as good as you think when you compare to Edmonton.

Enjoy falling off a cliff and back to reality next season. Montreal is just having a blip year, as they have a fairly mediocre roster and only one actual good prospect.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Leafs
Winnipeg
Calgary
Pretty much interchangeable. definitely the 3 best teams Canada has to offer, and it's tough to say what order it'll shake out as.

Vancouver
Montreal
best of the rest. good young talent, but not proven

Edmonton
Ottawa
bad teams with seemingly no direction

 

[CDN24]

Please don't bring up benefiting from playing in a weak division. Have done self awareness. The Atlantic is trash after the top 3.

Well Calgary the pacific's top team is 6-4 in what you call a weak Atlantic division, while the Habs who are not top 3 team in the Atlantic and trash by your definition are 7-3 against Pacific teams this year. I bet they wish they could play all there games there.

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

Well Calgary the pacific's top team is 6-4 in what you call a weak Atlantic division, while the Habs who are not top 3 team in the Atlantic and trash by your definition are 7-3 against Pacific teams this year. I bet they wish they could play all there games there.

Not sure where you got that from.. Calgary is 6-3-2 Vs the Atlantic, which is a fairly similar pace to 7-3. Calgary is 13-4-1 against the Central, while Montreal is 4-6.. thus Calgary is better

 

[crackdown44]

Well Calgary the pacific's top team is 6-4 in what you call a weak Atlantic division, while the Habs who are not top 3 team in the Atlantic and trash by your definition are 7-3 against Pacific teams this year. I bet they wish they could play all there games there.

I wonder what their records are against the rest of the league. Probably enough to put Calgary 10 points up in the standings and give them a goal differential that is +40 better than Montreal’s

 

[CDN24]

Lol...Montreal is just randomly better in the playoffs than Calgary? Okay.

Calgary has Parsons and Rittich as young goaltenders. Goaltending is also the easiest position to acquire via FA or trade. Very few teams have drafted their current starting goaltenders.

Calgary's drafting has also been great lately. Yes Calgary is even better at trading, but a large portion of their roster was drafted by them. Calgary also doesn't need higher end centre, or really forward prospects at all right now. Their top 4 forwards of Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, and Tkachuk are very young, and don't need replacement for at least another 3 seasons (when Gaudreau's contract expires).

Recent history suggests almost everyone is better than Calgary in the playoffs. The Flames have won one round since the salary cap came in.

Goaltending is the easiest position to acquire? (before Rittich Flames have been looking for one since Kipper left).

Smith, Elliot,johnson,Hiller,Ramo,Berra,Macdonald - how did those work out?

 

[crackdown44]

Recent history suggests almost everyone is better than Calgary in the playoffs. The Flames have won one round since the salary cap came in.

Goaltending is the easiest position to acquire? (before Rittich Flames have been looking for one since Kipper left).

Smith, Elliot,johnson,Hiller,Ramo,Berra,Macdonald - how did those work out?

Yes those playoff battles from 8-10 years ago when no one on either roster was in the league matter so much today

 

[CDN24]

I wonder what their records are against the rest of the league. Probably enough to put Calgary 10 points up in the standings and give them a goal differential that is +40 better than Montreal’s

As long as the schedule is not a balanced schedule (play more in your division and conference) then overall record may not be the best indicator of who is best. How about head to head record??
Also, I thought you were done replying to me

I notice you change your arguments every time I show you that they are wrong so I’m not going to waste anymore time with this. Have a good day

 

[blankall]

Recent history suggests almost everyone is better than Calgary in the playoffs. The Flames have won one round since the salary cap came in.

Goaltending is the easiest position to acquire? (before Rittich Flames have been looking for one since Kipper left).

Smith, Elliot,johnson,Hiller,Ramo,Berra,Macdonald - how did those work out?

Every seasons is a different year. The Flames team of last year is entirely different than this year, yet alone since the cap came in. You're logic is that since the Flames were bad the last few years, they will continue to be bad. Yet, the other teams, who were also bad, will only get better?

Giordano, Brodie, and Backlund are the only 3 players on the 2012/13 roster still on the team btw.

 

[Korpse]

The Sens look rough with no first round pick and a thin pipeline of prospects.

Excuse me?

 

[RalphKing]

Anyone who doesn't have Edmonton in the bottom 2 is delusional.

 

[CDN24]

Not sure where you got that from.. Calgary is 6-3-2 Vs the Atlantic, which is a fairly similar pace to 7-3. Calgary is 13-4-1 against the Central, while Montreal is 4-6.. thus Calgary is better

I was counting win/loss not loser points. In the playoffs overtime losses don't give you anything. So you are saying Flames are 6 wins 5 losses in ATl vs Habs 7-3 in Pacific. Okay I'll concede the other loss- must have missed one.

 

[CDN24]

Every seasons is a different year. The Flames team of last year is entirely different than this year, yet alone since the cap came in. You're logic is that since the Flames were bad the last few years, they will continue to be bad. Yet, the other teams, who were also bad, will only get better?

Giordano, Brodie, and Backlund are the only 3 players on the 2012/13 roster still on the team btw.

No I am saying don't let 50 games of regular season go to your head and assume that translates to playoff success. I am saying I will not call them a playoff success until they show me they are capable of making it and winning a series or two.

I found it funny for a Flames guy to be talking playoff success to anyone other than a bluejackets fan.

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

I was counting win/loss not loser points. In the playoffs overtime losses don't give you anything. So you are saying Flames are 6 wins 5 losses in ATl vs Habs 7-3 in Pacific. Okay I'll concede the other loss- must have missed one.

You're right.. Montreal led by there 40 point scoring leader and there +4 goal differential is a better team. They're core in 3 years will also be better, as they have so many good top end prospects and Kotkaniemi be petterson esque.

 

[tmurfin]

Look, you can say what you want but Calgary is not drafting well at all. Outside from top 6 pick with Tkachuk and Mon you have been drafting extremely terrible outside your D prospects.

- Worst prospect pool in the NHL for Center depth
- Worst Prospect pool for Forward Depth
- Underwhelming and not represented in Playoffs since Kiprusoff and Iginla
- STill no good future #1 goaltender since Kiprusoff


Calgary is on a bubble this year with Gio doing everything, they are not as good as you think when you compare to Edmonton.

What are you on about?

-Calgary has 5 ppg players, but yah Gio is doing everything
-Monahan 24, Backlund 29, Jankowski 24, Dube 20. We’ll be alright.
-Monahan 24, Gaudreau 25, Tkachuk 21, Lindholm 24, Jankowski 24, Bennett 22, Dube 20. We’re good for years yet.
-We’ve been rebuilding since trading Iggy
-Rittich is 26 and putting up starting numbers
-Replacing Gio? That’s tough sure, but luckily, we have Hanifin 21, Brodie 28, Hamonic 28, Vallimaki 20, Andersson 22, and Kylington 21

Our prospect pool is poor because everyone has graduated in the past 2-3 years. Our core is crazy young outside of Gio and locked up for years to come.

But ok, Montreal, wildcard Montreal, with their +4 goal differential, are a powerhouse, while Calgary (1st in WC, Pacific, and 2nd in the league, with a +44 goal differential) are a bubble team

 

[Tkachuky]

In before people bring up Montreal’s 50 Stanley cups to say they will be better than the Flames in 2 years.

 

[Tkachuky]

What are you on about?

-Calgary has 5 ppg players, but yah Gio is doing everything
-Monahan 24, Backlund 29, Jankowski 24, Dube 20. We’ll be alright.
-Monahan 24, Gaudreau 25, Tkachuk 21, Lindholm 24, Jankowski 24, Bennett 22, Dube 20. We’re good for years yet.
-We’ve been rebuilding since trading Iggy
-Rittich is 26 and putting up starting numbers
-Replacing Gio? That’s tough sure, but luckily, we have Hanifin 21, Brodie 28, Hamonic 28, Vallimaki 20, Andersson 22, and Kylington 21

Our prospect pool is poor because everyone has graduated in the past 2-3 years. Our core is crazy young outside of Gio and locked up for years to come.

But ok, Montreal, wildcard Montreal, with their +4 goal differential, are a powerhouse, while Calgary (1st in WC, Pacific, and 2nd in the league, with a +44 goal differential) are a bubble team

The guy is absolutely clueless. It’s actually funny reading his comments.

Guy says Gio is the main reason Flames are good today and he will decline. Goes on to say our D prospects are good.

Can’t put 1 and 1 together.... shocking