Proposal: Price to the Preds (Habs retain $1M)

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  1. CantLoseWithMatthews

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    I love how you're trying to spin Price's contract as a positive, but it really isn't good that he's locked up on an awful deal for the next 8 years. Not to mention Price isn't currently a top 5 goalie until proven otherwise
     
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    Neutral fan - very lopsided in the Habs favour, and doesn't seem to fit Nashville's needs. If it comes that Nashville needs to trade for a goalie, they could get a really good one for less than the OP without the massive term contract, and they have the Vezina winner with an heir apparent so it's pretty unlikely that they go shopping for one just yet
     
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    Part of it could be his terrible contract where 83% of the money he earns is in the form of bonuses while carry an aav of 10.5M. Sure I expect him to bounce back some but he isn’t going to be worth that contract
     
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    Very little to the Preds.
     
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    Not when their teams aren't really comparable, like I pointed out with their International stats. You can say Rinne is better than Price, but you can't use their playoffs numbers as a basis for that opinion.
     
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    Problem is you completely ignore Price's contract, which is the biggest flaw when talking about him.

    He's good. But his contract makes him less desirable, no matter how good he is. Times and times it's been shown that goalies are not the ones making THE difference in winning.

    I guess your proposition would be worthy if Habs retained the maximum possible (50%). Because that way Price becomes cheap yet very useful.
     
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    Price needs to show he's "Carey Price" again before anyone will think about offering a good value for that contract. It seems like the OP is valuing the player, without considering the value of the contract. The player absolutely has positive value. It's really about "how positive is it?" when looking at his history versus his last year plus (2nd half of 17, and then 17-18).

    His contract is brutal, no matter what G he is. Too much money for someone that simply cannot play every day.
     
  8. TooLegitToQuit

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    I'm not ignoring Price's contract. $9.5M from age 31-38. I know all about it. 50% retention is insane! Price around $9M ish is right. Top 5 goalie rates are going to be rising people. Thinking you can have a top goalie in the league for $6-7M range is a thing of the past.
     
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    Let's dig into this a big more. When was the last time a team dealt a Vezina winning goalie directly after having won it?

    When was the last time a team dealt the Vezina winner for a more expensive goalie on a worse contract?

    When was the last time a team dealt the reigning Vezina winner AND their by far best prospect?

    When was the last time a team with a bottom five prospect pool dealt the Vezina winner, their best prospect and THREE picks?

    Besides being incredibly lopsided, there isn't a precedent.
     
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    How do you figure? Cause the Preds plan on re-signing Rinne from age 36+? Saros will take over the #1 job? Or they will get another top goalie in the league in the off season?
     
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    When was the last time a defenseman like Karlsson traded?
     
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    is an upgrade from Rinne to Price worth Tolvanen, 2019 1st, 2020 2nd, 2022 1st, +1.5M-2.5M dollars (assuming NSH has an option to re-sign Rinne to an AAV of 7-8M)? Also is Rinne on his NTC list?
     
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    a) i never Said price wasnt worth much
    b) never said patches wasnt worth much either.

    Youre sitting here saying Rinne is old and etc, but this really just puts the Preds in the same situation in 3 years - if Price can even get back to Vezina form, which is a big iff.

    Youre free to value Price as whatever you want. But until he proves he's the Vezina and Hart winning goalie that he once was, he isnt getting anything close to that kind of return, from any team.

    I already stated what the Preds plans in net are, as have several others. i wont repeat myself.
     
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    The contract is unmovable, sadly for Price. If it were to be moved you would certainly not get a haul like that. Rinne also has a Limited NTC + a NMC.
     
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    Once again, you're speculating, but I suppose you'll try and shrug it off like it was just a question, again. :thumbu:
     
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    Sooooooo, you’re saying there’s a chance? :naughty:
     
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    "rinne would love to play for an original 6 team that has won 27 cups before.."
     
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    Pronger multiple times?
     
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    Short answer: No
    Long Answer: absolutely not.
     
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    - Price getting back to Vezina form is a big if? Come on man.
    - The Patch comment was to make you realize about how you thought he wasn't worth much cause he had a bad year on a team that had a bad year.
    - Sorry, I don't see many comments about what the Preds plans are in net. Only a few. Never noticed yours. All I noticed was your Price devalue attempts... just like with Patch
     
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    Chris Pronger - x 2. (One time for the same reason as Karlsson - ownership didn't want to pay the contract).

    But really, who is counting.

    Look. It is ok to make a mistake and post a bad trade. But when you do it, admit to it and move on and no one will ride you. But on a site where there is a large number of Habs fans and NOT one defends the proposal outside of you, then it may be time to admit the mistake and move on.
     
  22. TooLegitToQuit

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    So I guess it does happen from time to time then ;) I rest my case.
     
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    The answer to all of those questions may be yes. We will most likely re-sign Rinne after his current contract expires, it will most likely be a pay cut and will allow us to have some wiggle room for Fiala and Josi's next contracts.
    Saros will get more starts between the next few seasons and could split the season with Rinne as early as this year.
    IF Saros doesn't pan out we will find another goalie without trading our best Tolvanen.
     
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    If wasn't after 1 bad season, it's about the term and cap hit. Also, it's not Price has negative value as much as Preds are not offering up this really good package.
     
  25. M.C.G. 31

    M.C.G. 31 Damn, he brave!

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    That's so bad for Nashville lol.

    Let's just face reality, we're going to have to eat AT LEAST $3-million to get anything of note back, and even then, we're not getting numerous high picks. :laugh: I don't think Nashville has a problem at all with Saros being their goalie of the future as Rinne gets older, either, and would prefer that over paying for an $10.5-million 30+ year old.
     
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