Proposal: Price to the Preds (Habs retain $1M)

[TGWL]

Exactly, their Window is 3-4 years MAX MAX MAX. No team can stay that competitive for 7 years, The margin is way too thin, you might only if you have a generational player like Crosby/Malkin/Mc

I don't see it making sense then. Go all in now? In 3-4 years, that prospect and 1 of those first round picks will most likely be counted on after this "3-4" window. Some are making it seem like this is Price or having Allen. We're talking about Rinne here.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I don't see it making sense then. Go all in now? In 3-4 years, that prospect and 1 of those first round picks will most likely be counted on after this "3-4" window. Some are making it seem like this is Price or having Allen. We're talking about Rinne here.

To be frank, you lost to the jets mostly only because of Rinne. There was a lot of discussion at that time saying that Rinne was going to be traded or done.

 

[TGWL]

To be frank, you lost to the jets mostly only because of Rinne. There was a lot of discussion at that time saying that Rinne was going to be traded or done.

I'm a NYR fan, but it still doesn't make sense to give up that many assets and trade a player who plays great for them in the regular season, because that's still needed.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The preds could offer Rinne 3 years at 7 Million (his current rate) and still be at 8.5, cheaper than the AAV of Price in your proposal. He doesnt even have to take a paycut to make that feasible.

I don't blame you for thinking this is the better option cause you think the difference between Rinne and Price is marginal at best. You make fun of my plan and I make fun of your plan. Were even.

$10.5M (Price/Saros) > $8.5M (Rinne/Saros). Preds have plenty of cap space to absorb the extra $2M or $2.5M in cap space and they get a proven top goalie in the league they can ride with throughout their cup window. The costs? $2M in cap space, Tolavanen, and two late 1st round picks that don't help them in their cup window.

I find it weird that some think Price don't take the Preds closer to winning a cup with the core they have today. But I respect if they want to ride with Rinne/Saros and try again, and again. I don't respect how anybody thinks Price is negative value though. It's BS!

 

[Tysonson3]

To say that price would be the difference maker in us winning a cup is simply not true. Keeping open cap space for contract extensions for key players is what will keep our window open for years. Would rather not lose Josi because we’re paying a goalie who is MAYBE better than Rinne. For comparison here’s the cap hits for goalies on Stanley cup winners of the past 8 years

2018- 6.1
2017- 5.75/3.75
2016- 5.75/650k
2015- 6
2014- 5.8
2013- 6
2012- 1.8
2011- 5
2010- 850k

Higher paid “elite” goalies are apparently not the difference maker. All it takes is on good run and a well put together roster. No need to anchor ourselves with price

 

[Habs Halifax]

Rinne currently makes $7 million. He's a life long Predator who loves playing in Nashville and a fan favorite. He'll probably get a 2-3 year contract worth 4-5 mil to help mentor Saros. If that's the case we are only spending 5-6 million on goaltending.

Price's contract is awful, he is not a proven upgrade on Rinne at this moment. There is no deal here, stop trying to make it happen because we don't want it to happen. Poile's played the cap to his advantage and we're happy with our goaltending duo.

Rinne at $4M - $5M for 2 or 3 years to be a back-up to Saros? Sign him now before he changes his mind!

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

To be frank, you lost to the jets mostly only because of Rinne. There was a lot of discussion at that time saying that Rinne was going to be traded or done.

it's not like Price is a proven playoff stud. in fact, Rinne has slightly better career playoff stats. Price also had a brutal year last year and there's no telling how he'll bounce back. Rinne is still vezina caliber

 

[Habs Halifax]

To say that price would be the difference maker in us winning a cup is simply not true. Keeping open cap space for contract extensions for key players is what will keep our window open for years. Would rather not lose Josi because we’re paying a goalie who is MAYBE better than Rinne. For comparison here’s the cap hits for goalies on Stanley cup winners of the past 8 years

2018- 6.1
2017- 5.75/3.75
2016- 5.75/650k
2015- 6
2014- 5.8
2013- 6
2012- 1.8
2011- 5
2010- 850k

Higher paid “elite” goalies are apparently not the difference maker. All it takes is on good run and a well put together roster. No need to anchor ourselves with price

Preds have plenty of space to sign Joisi and absorb the extra $2M ish by taking Price and trading Rinne+.

Pens won with $9.5M in cap hit for two goalies. Price at $9M and Saros at $1.5M is only $1M higher. Do you seriously think the $6M goalie average is going to stay at that level forever?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

it's not like Price is a proven playoff stud. in fact, Rinne has slightly better career playoff stats. Price also had a brutal year last year and there's no telling how he'll bounce back. Rinne is still vezina caliber

give me a break, price is good on pressure, he was just annoyed with his stupid injuries and Sleep problem. Just look him this year.
Price won world cup, olympics and went into conference finals. he has proven he was good on pressure times and times, he just needed more protection from stupid players like Kreider

 

[Randy Randerson]

Preds have plenty of space to sign Joisi and absorb the extra $2M ish by taking Price and trading Rinne+.

Pens won with $9.5M in cap hit for two goalies. Price at $9M and Saros at $1.5M is only $1M higher. Do you seriously think the $6M goalie average is going to stay at that level forever?

the average starter salary is just over $5M - Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Habs Halifax]

it's not like Price is a proven playoff stud. in fact, Rinne has slightly better career playoff stats. Price also had a brutal year last year and there's no telling how he'll bounce back. Rinne is still vezina caliber

You are ignoring the teams Price and Rinne play for. And Price has very good playoff numbers the last 3 playoffs. Rinne is turning 36 in Nov and was brutal in the most recent playoffs. But wait, you want to focus on Price with the Habs roster last year. Makes sense eh?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

You are ignoring the teams Price and Rinne play for. And Price has very good playoff numbers the last 3 playoffs. Rinne is turning 36 in Nov and was brutal in the most recent playoffs. But wait, you want to focus on Price with the Habs roster last year. Makes sense eh?

why did Price get outplayed by Niemi and Lindgren last year then? I highly doubt the Habs were the sole reason Price looked bad. the Preds actually allowed more shots against per game than Montreal

 

[Tysonson3]

Preds have plenty of space to sign Joisi and absorb the extra $2M ish by taking Price and trading Rinne+.

Pens won with $9.5M in cap hit for two goalies. Price at $9M and Saros at $1.5M is only $1M higher. Do you seriously think the $6M goalie average is going to stay at that level forever?

The average probably won’t stay there forever but we just saw Hellebuyck and Gibson (both young vezina caliber goalies) sign for around 6 long term. Maybe we have room for Josi but then we likely can’t afford Fiala. Between price, subban, Josi, and johansen we’d be looking at 35+ mil in cap tied up

 

[Habs Halifax]

the average starter salary is just over $5M - Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Yes I know it's low. I'm talking about top NHL goalies here. The latest trends are $6 - $8M range. Do you seriously think inflation is not going to affect this in the next 8 years? I believe you are a Leafs fan. What does Anderson get after 3 more years? A modest raise from his current $5M AAV? Pretty sure he is going to be asking for more than you think today.

Can't wait till Anderson gets a new contract at age 32 and we can say he has negative value cause he will be making around $8M AAV. See how dumb this sounds? Or are you going to let him walk and easily find another goalie that can do the same job?

 

[Habs Halifax]

why did Price get outplayed by Niemi and Lindgren last year then? I highly doubt the Habs were the sole reason Price looked bad. the Preds actually allowed more shots against per game than Montreal

Cause he had an injury? So are you saying he declined so bad that Niemi and Lindgren are better than him now? Come on man.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Yes I know it's low. I'm talking about top NHL goalies here. The latest trends are $6 - $8M range. Do you seriously think inflation is not going to affect this in the next 8 years? I believe you are a Leafs fan. What does Anderson get after 3 more years? A modest raise from his current $5M AAV? Pretty sure he is going to be asking for more than you think today

there is literally 2 with an AAV of 8 or more. I would think Andersen is probably $6.5M after his contract expires and likely less than 6 years, cap dependent but goalies aren't getting the monster commitment contracts that they were

 

[DRW204]

Assuming 3M per year increase, in 2020 85.5M cap, [email protected] Josi@9M the Preds will have 16.15M in space and 12 players signed. Still a couple years away, but something to keep in mind. High upside ELC players (ie Tolvanen, those 1st rounders given up) will be a major boon

 

[Habs Halifax]

there is literally 2 with an AAV of 8 or more. I would think Andersen is probably $6.5M after his contract expires and likely less than 6 years, cap dependent but goalies aren't getting the monster commitment contracts that they were

haha... $6.5M for Anderson who is a top 10 NHL goalie playing on a stacked roster. Only a $1.5M raise and a salary cap that has risen for several years. Try more like $7- $8M. I bet you think Nylander is only worth $5.5M right?

 

[powerstuck]

You do need a goalie who performs in the playoffs. Not saying Price does this guaranteed but he is a game changer in net. Rinne played 13 playoff games with a 3.07 GAA and a .904 Sv%. I don't care how good the Preds D is, that is not going to be good enough. Will he repeat it? I have no idea but he is going to be 36 in Nov.

Rinne is almost 6 years older than Price and people think the gap between them is marginal. If Price is old and in decline, Rinne is a dinosaur!

And given Nashville window of victory is limited to maybe next 4 years, they should completely ruin their future and get a goalie for 8 years when they can really ''exploit'' him only for 4 of those ?

Price at $5.25M? That is well below the top goalie salaries. Do you really think he has declined that badly? Come on man. If you want Price at 50% retention, the price goes up.

Do you live in the 90's or something?

I agree that Carey's price at 50% retention goes up...I would get something around ''Rinne, Tolvanen+picks'' could be that increased cost. Your OP offer was for 1M retention which is definitely not enough to make Price trade-able to any of 30 other teams.

 

[Spazkat]

I don't respect how anybody thinks Price is negative value though. It's BS!

You keep saying this and spouting hyperbole like 'best in the world' but have provided zero actual facts to back that up. You say he's better than Rinne but nothing shows that. Certainly last year's save % doesn't. Back in 2013 you could make that claim, but that was a few major injuries and a 10 million dollar albatross contract ago.

Certainly nothing he's done recently qualifies him for best in the world status

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Don't want to give up Tolvanen, his ELC will be useful in being able to add at the deadline in the years to come.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And given Nashville window of victory is limited to maybe next 4 years, they should completely ruin their future and get a goalie for 8 years when they can really ''exploit'' him only for 4 of those ?

I agree that Carey's price at 50% retention goes up...I would get something around ''Rinne, Tolvanen+picks'' could be that increased cost. Your OP offer was for 1M retention which is definitely not enough to make Price trade-able to any of 30 other teams.

It's called being a legit cup contender and having a goalie that will be 36 in Nov and needs a new contract. It's called making an all in move. Completely ruin their future? When you are as close as the Preds are, you do what it takes to improve the current roster so you can win a cup. Tolvanen is a big pill to swallow but he has been sent to the AHL. When does he start making an impact? Next year, the year after? How about those two late 1st round picks? They are not helping the Preds in their current cup window.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Don't want to give up Tolvanen, his ELC will be useful in being able to add at the deadline in the years to come.

Valid concern. He is the biggest piece in the offer by far.

 

[Devonator]

The bottom line is thus...Price cannot be traded with that terrible contract...is value is zero at this point....that is reality....Habs are stuck with likely the worse contract in hockey going forward.....if you could give away Price for free, I am sure the vast majority of Hab fans would be thrilled.....alas you cannot even do that. Any trade proposal for Price is delusional otherwise.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You keep saying this and spouting hyperbole like 'best in the world' but have provided zero actual facts to back that up. You say he's better than Rinne but nothing does that. Certainly last year's save % doesn't. Back in 2013 you could make that claim, but that was a few major injuries and a 10 million dollar albatross contract ago.

Certainly nothing he's done recently qualifies him for best in the world status

I've said best goalie in the world maybe once or twice. I also have said a top 5 goalie multiple times. Let me clear it up for you on my opinion. I don't think Price is the undisputed best in the world, but I do think his one of the best. Most in the Hockey industry think so. Most people on these boards think he has negative value. It's BS