Proposal: Price to the Preds (Habs retain $1M)

[Oberyn]

They want to acquire Price for cheap and at 50% retention and keep their prospect pool. Greedy bunch of hypocrites

From what I've read, it sounds like Preds fans don't want to acquire Price at all.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

At what point since the conclusion of the 2014-2015 season has Price looked like a $10.5m goalie? Even like he was worth $9.5m? All of the habs fan I know believes that he is signed to a good contract and you are single-handily causing HF to lose it's collective mind.

I would love to listen to all other HF boards teams fans, but they offered us shitty propositions for Pacio, so no I'm not listening most of the other teams since they are biased

I suggest you go look all the locked post about Pacio, most offers were around 3rd picks and Bjugstad lmao.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No, we don't. YOU have been the only one trying to pawn off Price and his god awful contract on to use while trying to get the current Vezina winner, our best prospect, and several picks out of us. Get lost.

We are more than happy with Rinne and Saros going forward. This is just been eight pages of you trying to get everyone else to believe that Price's contract is worth it.

Well, there is comments out there that are insisting acquiring Price for 50% retention. Do you have selective vision?

It's the whole point of a trade proposal. To justify the trade value. What? People are not allowed to defend the best goalie in the world's value?

 

[paragon]

Price at $5.25M? That is well below the top goalie salaries. Do you really think he has declined that badly? Come on man. If you want Price at 50% retention, the price goes up.

Do you live in the 90's or something?

It better be @5.25M when he looked so bad last season and the proposed return was last years Vezina winner Rinne, blue chip prospect Tolvanen, 2 first round picks and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Starat327]

Cap hell starts when you have to re-sign Subban and Forsberg after 4 more years (with or without Price's $9M). Subban will be age 33 and Forsberg will be 28. It's quite possible they are still a good team at that point but how many teams have you seen be cup contenders for more than 7 years (2 years prior to this year and another 5 ish)?

You don't have to like it and I know you don't but this is how I see it... When you have a team like the Preds, you should consider making an all in move. Price could be the difference between a cup or no cup. If Rinne was the same age as Price, I would of not made this offer.

Cap hell starts when you have to pay people...

...here. take our 9m a year goalie. That'll help.

 

[powerstuck]

I think the trade is legit, but never offer Price on those Boards, people tend to think Price Value is near Lucic Value. They are seriously disconnected to not see how Price would win a cup with a structured team. The only thing they see is his injury last year and his contract, they are clueless.

Rinne + tolv + 2019 first is the right price for a goaltender like price, no one is near him in the league.

But again, they offered us 2x 7rd pick for Pacio and we got Tatar,picks and Suzuki, so don't get your hopes up to receive legit offer from clueless fans.

Are you seriously saying those two aren't to be considered ? He played 50% of the games over last 3 years while the average is more in the ballpark of your main goalie getting about 70-75% of workload.

 

[ViktorBaeArvidsson]

O my god, this is serious. I rather deal with Rinne’s choking in the playoffs rather than a guy who gets hurt often, has a STEEP contract and chokes in the playoffs as well. Nah dude, y’all can keep that, also we got Saros we all good.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cap hell starts when you have to pay people...

...here. take our 9m a year goalie. That'll help.

I did say with or without Price . One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on a goalie. Weather that is Rinne, Price or someone else. They would be extremely lucky if Saros can carry the load. If he can, he gets a hefty raise very soon. Cap space will be spent on a goalies no matter how you spin it.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I did say with or without Price . One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on a goalie. Weather that is Rinne, Price or someone else. They would be extremely lucky if Saros can carry the load. If he can, he gets a hefty raise very soon. Cap space will be spent on a goalies no matter how you spin it.

so.... the assertion here is that acquiring Price is a cap-neutral proposition?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Are you seriously saying those two aren't to be considered ? He played 50% of the games over last 3 years while the average is more in the ballpark of your main goalie getting about 70-75% of workload.

you are seeing too much from the outside, nothing from the inside of Quebec.
1. Price been injured a lot due to his condition to become "sleepy" a lot. He started a Strict Diet last year and it's supposed to be resolved
2. Healthy Price is worth 10.5M hell we can even take 1M.
3. it'S 2018, 10.5M in 304 years will look like a 7.5M seeing how fast the cap is going up.

 

[Starat327]

I did say with or without Price . One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on a goalie. Weather that is Rinne, Price or someone else. They would be extremely lucky if Saros can carry the load. If he can, he gets a hefty raise very soon. Cap space will be spent on a goalies no matter how you spin it.

Saros is signed for 3 years.

Even if Rinne comes back at the same price hes at for three years, the Preds tandem would still be cheaper, and based off recent history, better, than price alone.

 

[Habs Halifax]

O my god, this is serious. I rather deal with Rinne’s choking in the playoffs rather than a guy who gets hurt often, has a STEEP contract and chokes in the playoffs as well. Nah dude, y’all can keep that, also we got Saros we all good.

Not sure what you mean about Price choking in the playoffs but he has had a hard time staying healthy in the last 3 years. That would be a legit concern but choking in the playoffs? Come on man. You are searching here buddy

 

[Habs Halifax]

Saros is signed for 3 years.

Even if Rinne comes back at the same price hes at for three years, the Preds tandem would still be cheaper, and based off recent history, better, than price alone.

Exactly. If Saros can be the #1 goalie, he gets a hefty raise. One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on goalies. Might not be as hight as Price but it's not going to be less than $5M. Preds would be stupid to be a cup contender and go with Saros and no insurance in net. Could it be another Tampa situation? Let Bishop go and Vasilevskiy takes over? Possible

 

[Starat327]

you are seeing too much from the outside, nothing from the inside of Quebec.
1. Price been injured a lot due to his condition to become "sleepy" a lot. He started a Strict Diet last year and it's supposed to be resolved
2. Healthy Price is worth 10.5M hell we can even take 1M.
3. it'S 2018, 10.5M in 304 years will look like a 7.5M seeing how fast the cap is going up.[/QUOTE]

This is 100% speculation. It would be EXTREMELY easy to argue that if the league goes in to a lockout next year as expected, the cap will actually stagnate as more and more people become frustrated with the product.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Exactly. If Saros can be the #1 goalie, he gets a hefty raise. One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on goalies. Might not be as hight as Price but it's not going to be less than $5M.

Yeah and after those 3 years, he'll still be an RFA. Is some team going to come out there and offer sheet him for $8+ million? I guess it's possible but also highly unlikely.

 

[Oberyn]

Well, there is comments out there that are insisting acquiring Price for 50% retention. Do you have selective vision?

It's the whole point of a trade proposal. To justify the trade value. What? People are not allowed to defend the best goalie in the world's value?

Most of the people who brought up 50% retention didn't alter the trade otherwise. So your statement that Preds want Price at "50% retention and keep their prospect pool" is false.

 

[DRW204]

NSH led the league in SV% last year, have the reigning Vezina champ and have an heir apparent to long-term goalie needs.

Yes! Let's trade the Vezina goalie+1sts & 2nds+top prospect for an oft-injured more expensive goalie who might have a few extra SV% points compared to Rinne.

NSH' also has to be careful with how they allocate the cap when Josi is due.

 

[Soundgarden]

Exactly. If Saros can be the #1 goalie, he gets a hefty raise. One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on goalies. Might not be as hight as Price but it's not going to be less than $5M.

Saros is not going to get Price money and he won't get a raise for several years. Of course Nashville is going to spend cap space on goalies, every one does. What's your point? That we need to replace Rinne with Price because we're going to be spending money on a goalie anyway, we might as well dump our best prospect while we do it?

 

[Gm0ney]

you just signed Hell to a terrible contract for ONE GOOD SEASON, and you are telling me that price contract is bad ? lmao

Hellebuyck's been elite at every level he's played at - including the NHL last year. He's 25 and signed for 7.76% of the cap through his prime years. It's probably a bit high and a bit long, but I think it's at least in the ballpark.

Price, OTOH, is signed for 14% of the cap until he's 39 years old (Lundqvist is the only goalie close to that percentage - most other elite goalies are around 10% of the cap when signed). No one pays their goalies that much. No one should pay their old goalies that much. That contract has regret written all over it. If he averages .915 over the next 5 years, the Habs might as well have signed an average goalie and thrown $5.5M a year into a bonfire. There's no NHL GM that is going to pony up elite prospects and high picks for him - especially not Poile - he f***s over the Canadiens in trades, not the other way around.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah and after those 3 years, he'll still be an RFA. Is some team going to come out there and offer sheet him for $8+ million? I guess it's possible but also highly unlikely.

Two factors...

1) Saros becomes a #1 goalie and he does get a hefty raise after the next 3 years. Does Rinne back him up? Or do they go get a proven back-up for insurance?

2) Saros struggles to become a starting goalie and the Preds are forced to live with Rinne from age 36+ or go after another goalie.

One way or another, cap space will be spent on goalies.

 

[Starat327]

Exactly. If Saros can be the #1 goalie, he gets a hefty raise. One way or another, the Preds will be spending cap space on goalies. Might not be as hight as Price but it's not going to be less than $5M. Preds would be stupid to be a cup contender and go with Saros and no insurance in net. Could it be another Tampa situation? Let Bishop go and Vasilevskiy takes over? Possible

3 years from now hes still an RFA. If he plays that well, Rinne is off the books, and the Preds have a 26-27 year old goalie they have to pay. In your scenario, at that time, the preds have a 35 year old, likely declining, goalie with a 9M cap hit to worry about.

I wont ask you which position you think is more favorable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hellebuyck's been elite at every level he's played at - including the NHL last year. He's 25 and signed for 7.76% of the cap through his prime years. It's probably a bit high and a bit long, but I think it's at least in the ballpark.

Price, OTOH, is signed for 14% of the cap until he's 39 years old (Lundqvist is the only goalie close to that percentage - most other elite goalies are around 10% of the cap when signed). No one pays their goalies that much. No one should pay their old goalies that much. That contract has regret written all over it. If he averages .915 over the next 5 years, the Habs might as well have signed an average goalie and thrown $5.5M a year into a bonfire. There's no NHL GM that is going to pony up elite prospects and high picks for him - especially not Poile - he ****s over the Canadiens in trades, not the other way around.

Some say if the Jets had a better goalie in the playoffs last year, they would of won a cup? I thought this as well and I read this comment several times on these boards.

Hellebuychk on the Jets team vs Price on the Habs . Goalie performance has nothing to do with the team they play for right?

 

[Habs Halifax]

3 years from now hes still an RFA. If he plays that well, Rinne is off the books, and the Preds have a 26-27 year old goalie they have to pay. In your scenario, at that time, the preds have a 35 year old, likely declining, goalie with a 9M cap hit to worry about.

I wont ask you which position you think is more favorable.

lol. No offense taken. So what do they spend on goalies starting next year? They are at $8.5M today. How much of a pay cut does Rinne take in a 2 year deal? At some point, the Preds need to start testing Saros out more. Tampa got lucky with Bishop getting hurt and AV going on a solid playoff run. Gave them confidence that they could win with him.

 

[Starat327]

lol. No offense taken. So what do they spend on goalies starting next year? They are at $8.5M today. How much of a pay cut does Rinne take in a 2 year deal?

The preds could offer Rinne 3 years at 7 Million (his current rate) and still be at 8.5, cheaper than the AAV of Price in your proposal. He doesnt even have to take a paycut to make that feasible.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Two factors...

1) Saros becomes a #1 goalie and he does get a hefty raise after the next 3 years. Does Rinne back him up? Or do they go get a proven back-up for insurance?

2) Saros struggles to become a starting goalie and the Preds are forced to live with Rinne from age 36+ or go after another goalie.

One way or another, cap space will be spent on goalies.

1. Uhh, would Rinne not be a proven backup? And yeah, they would probably spend a few million on a backup if Rinne left or retired. That's still not $9 million with a ton of assets leaving as well.

2. Again, why would we make a move like this before ever knowing if Saros can be a starter? If Saros is good enough to be a starter then this whole discussion is moot. If he's not, then we look around for one.

So yes, cap will be spent on goalies. Nobody is arguing that. The argument is why we're spending this much cap, on this goalie who has been hurt and performed poorly last year while also giving up multiple 1sts and our top prospect. What is so hard to understand about this?

 

[Soundgarden]

lol. No offense taken. So what do they spend on goalies starting next year? They are at $8.5M today. How much of a pay cut does Rinne take in a 2 year deal?

Rinne currently makes $7 million. He's a life long Predator who loves playing in Nashville and a fan favorite. He'll probably get a 2-3 year contract worth 4-5 mil to help mentor Saros. If that's the case we are only spending 5-6 million on goaltending.

Price's contract is awful, he is not a proven upgrade on Rinne at this moment. There is no deal here, stop trying to make it happen because we don't want it to happen. Poile's played the cap to his advantage and we're happy with our goaltending duo.