Proposal: Price to the Preds (Habs retain $1M)

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I question your hockey knowledge if you think Price is the 3rd best goalie on the Habs. Your credibility on the subject holds no value in my books cause you have tunnel vision. You think it's very possible Price declines like Gomez did.... you want it to happen so bad that you think it's probable.

I don't think I'm the one displaying wishful thinking here. you're the one saying Price has rebounded into being an elite goalie again before he actually has. you're the one pretending his contract isn't a nightmare. you're the one pretending that Nashville would even consider a move like this. It's interesting that you want to project all that wishful thinking onto me, but it's not very accurate

 

[triggrman]

Well, I can handle some reasoning. Continuing to trust the Rinne/Saros combo is one of them. But throwing Price under the bus to justify a terrible trade offer is something I'm going to not back down at.

The ask isn't reasonable though, it's one of the worst trades I've seen on here.

 

[Soundgarden]

Well, I can handle some reasoning. Continuing to trust the Rinne/Saros combo is one of them. But throwing Price under the bus to justify a terrible trade offer is something I'm going to not back down at.

Why don't Montreal just keep him if he's one of the best in the league? You build a team from the net out, surely they can build a team around him during his contract.

Why does Montreal want to downgrade to Rinne? Is it because you just want Tolvanen and a boatload of picks?

 

[Habs Halifax]

The ask isn't reasonable though, it's one of the worst trades I've seen on here.

I've heard this same line for Patch when I ask for a 1st, 2nd, and a conditional 2nd if he re-signs. Bergevin got a better return in the end. Worse trades I have seen on these boards is a line uses over and over. It's your opinion, not a fact.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

he was 3rd best last year, and I see no reason to change my mind until he proves otherwise. Imagine if Tavares puts up 30 points next year. Do you think he'd be worth something like Stamkos + Foote + 2 firsts? that's basically what you're suggesting here

30 points for Tavares.. You are contradicting yourself.

Any team would pay the big price on Tavares even with 2 x 30 points season, Just look at Kopitar 50 points season to 90 points season
Same principle apply to Price...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why don't Montreal just keep him if he's one of the best in the league? You build a team from the net out, surely they can build a team around him during his contract.

Why does Montreal want to downgrade to Rinne? Is it because you just want Tolvanen and a boatload of picks?

Rinne is not part of my future plans. Habs are going in a rebuild mode. Price is a better fit on a cup contender than the rebuilding Habs. However, I suspect Price is going nowhere cause Bergevin thinks we can make the playoffs "where anything can happen". I hate middle of the pack strategy

The purpose of this trade is to give the Preds an edge to win a cup and to accelerate the Habs rebuild. Most think the price is too high but we are talking about one of the best proven goalies in the world here. Rinne is only coming back the other way cause of of the salary cap. I have zero intentions of re-signing him.

 

[triggrman]

I've heard this same line for Patch when I ask for a 1st, 2nd, and a conditional 2nd if he re-signs. Bergevin got a better return in the end. Worse trades I have seen on these boards is a line uses over and over. It's your opinion, not a fact.

Then you tell me, who has brought a team back a top 10 prospect, 2 first and a roster player that had just won a major award 1 year prior.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Then you tell me, who has brought a team back a top 10 prospect, 2 first and a roster player that had just won a major award 1 year prior.

We can re visit the trade offer after Rinne's contract expires and the Habs pay Price his next bonus on July 1st. If Rinne ask for too much for a 36/37 year old, give the Habs a call. If Rinne has a solid year and is willing to take a pay cut to share the goalie job with Saros, don't call. I will understand

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I'm going to go out and say that trading any player with a huge contract would be prohibitively difficult, and that's especially the case for the highest paid goalie in the league with a huge amount of term left and some questionable health issues.

The fact is this, the Habs would have to eat a lot of his salary and expect a lot less in return than what OP was asking for, because you have to look at it from the perspective that an invariable part of the trade would be the Habs getting probably $6 million+ in cap savings a year as well, which is no small thing. Habs only retaining one million and asking for that much in return would just result in the Preds angrily hanging up.

 

[kunekune]

I wouldn't trade Price for Rinne 1:1 with their current contracts.

 

[DRW204]

is it fair to compare Tatar/Patches and Price/Rinne? Or is goalies a whole other realm of valuation?

Is the difference between Tatar and Patches (all things considered) greater than the difference between Price and Rinne? It costed VGK's a 2nd round pick and a top 30ish prospect in Suzuki for an upgrade on Tatar.

 

[triggrman]

We can re visit the trade offer after Rinne's contract expires and the Habs pay Price his next bonus on July 1st. If Rinne ask for too much for a 36/37 year old, give the Habs a call. If Rinne has a solid year and is willing to take a pay cut to share the goalie job with Saros, don't call. I will understand

I don't care what happens to Rinne or Saros. No player has ever gotten that type of return.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I wouldn't trade Price for Rinne 1:1 with their current contracts.

I'm not a fan of either team, I completely agree with this. Contracts considered Rinne>Price

 

[triggrman]

is it fair to compare Tatar/Patches and Price/Rinne? Or is goalies a whole other realm of valuation?

Is the difference between Tatar and Patches (all things considered) greater than the difference between Price and Rinne? It costed VGK's a 2nd round pick and a top 30ish prospect in Suzuki for an upgrade on Tatar.

Tatar was a career 3rd line player being traded for a top line player. Rinne just won the Vezina.

 

[Broad Street Buddies]

Turn off the TV if you don't like it.

I am only trying to help you. I would love a tandem of Price/Hart but Nashville? Come on, they are an horrible partner for a deal around Price.

 

[405Exit]

Gibson was horrible in the playoffs. I think he is a solid starting NHL goalie and he is paid accordingly. But he is not a top 10 NHL goalie. Not yet anyways.

Look at the statistics of Sv% in the league. You are completely wrong when it comes to facts regarding goalies. All you do is spew nonsense. This is why 90% of the entire thread you made are attacking you and not agreeing with you.

I give you legitimacy regarding factual numbers and you turn them down like it’s nothing because it’s not on your opinion. No one cares about your opinion facts are facts and you can’t argue numbers. John Gibson is top 5 last season with .924 sv% with 2.2 GA

How can you argue that???

Top 10 2017-18 NHL Goalies | FantraxHQ|July 17, 2017

 

[beowulf]

Not sure at all how this makes sense for the Preds. They take on more salary and term for their number 1 goalie who at this point is detestably better let alone adding all those extras from the Preds side.

If Bergevin managed to make such a trade, I'd forgive him for so much.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Price almost has a negative value with that cap hit for 8 years.

 

[DRW204]

Tatar was a career 3rd line player being traded for a top line player. Rinne just won the Vezina.

yup which kind of brings home the point. the upgrade that the Preds would be getting in Price isn't worth two 1sts, 2nd, Tolvanen. That's a greater cost to acquire/upgrade for NSH than what VGK's gave up for their upgrade from Tatar->Extended Patches

 

[triggrman]

yup which kind of brings home the point. the upgrade that the Preds would be getting in Price isn't worth two 1sts, 2nd, Tolvanen. That's a greater cost to acquire/upgrade for NSH than what VGK's gave up for their upgrade from Tatar->Extended Patches

Totally agreed. Like I said previously, I don't remember any player ever bringing back a haul like this.

 

[Hockey Stick]

Instant yes from this habs fan

 

[plattnacken]

Trading for Price would be a huge gamble at this point. Let alone for an overpayment this massive.

 

[Soundgarden]

Rinne is not part of my future plans. Habs are going in a rebuild mode. Price is a better fit on a cup contender than the rebuilding Habs. However, I suspect Price is going nowhere cause Bergevin thinks we can make the playoffs "where anything can happen". I hate middle of the pack strategy

The purpose of this trade is to give the Preds an edge to win a cup and to accelerate the Habs rebuild. Most think the price is too high but we are talking about one of the best proven goalies in the world here. Rinne is only coming back the other way cause of of the salary cap. I have zero intentions of re-signing him.

So...you pretty much just want our top prospect and picks? Why not just create a Value of: Tolvanen thread instead of this one? We don't need or want Price.

 

[ole ole]

Haha, what a joke.

You might get Rinne + 1st (2019) + 2nd (2020) for Price at 3 mil retained if you're lucky.

So you think the difference between a 35 yr old Rinne and a 31 yr old Price at the same price is the Preds 2019 1st and 2020 2nd.
Ya someone is out to lunch.

 

[abo9]

Price having zero value is not reality. It's your opinion. Don't confuse your opinion with actual facts.

Price having zero value might be wrong, in fact I'm sure that all team would love a Price on their roster. Unfortunately the contract looks bad, makes you wonder what he would have gotten on UFA though.

I don't think he will be traded (not that it would be necessarily bad), the Habs don't need cap relief at this point.

And the list of teams who would likely take him with the salary cap reality is short, you need to find a team that contend for the next few years with no good starter, with cap space or able to create cap space for him. The unfortunate reality about goalies today is that their talent level is very similar accross the league.

Forgetting the salary cap because I dont know each team's situation but the Flyers(Elliot?), Colorado (is Varlamov good ?), St-Louis (Allen?), Flames (Smith?) are the only playoff teams that I see would see a big benefit in taking Price.

Teams like the Islanders, New Jersey, Sabres (Hutton?), Vancouver, Detroit are the only other teams I think could need that big improvement in net... but none of them are serious contenders now (maybe the Islanders with Price and Buffalo could speed up the rebuild?)

Then add the salary cap restrictions to that, the pool of teams in for Price is super low and his value comes down to their evaluation of how much help Price would be in their goal for the Stanley Cup vs other potentially available goalies.

There you go, an all star goalie (that I love watching fyi) who got very minimal value on the trade market