Premier League 2020-2021 (Part I)

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May be unpopular, but I despise this rule and would still be opposed to changing it mid-season. You can't alter the framework of the competition midway. Not fair to teams that have been penalized without the opportunity to reap the rewards (and vice versa).
Unfortunately true.
 

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This is also ridiculous. I’ve started calling Peacock by the half of its name that isn’t Pea.

going to start watching Bundesliga
 
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The only teams that haven't had the equal opportunity to reap the rewards so far are City, United, Villa, and Burnley. Everyone else has had 3 games worth off opportunity (after this week is complete) Some have got an advantage, some have got screwed.
 

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This is also ridiculous. I’ve started calling Peacock by the half of its name that isn’t Pea.

going to start watching Bundesliga


Yea I understand them trying to push people towards it, but it feels too early and too aggressive. Feels like they're more likely to have people turn to other spots or leagues versus shell out more money.

I can't really imagine someone who is just starting to follow the sport saying "oh many I really need to drop that extra $5/month to see the EPL instead of the Bundesliga"
 

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Yea I understand them trying to push people towards it, but it feels too early and too aggressive. Feels like they're more likely to have people turn to other spots or leagues versus shell out more money.

I can't really imagine someone who is just starting to follow the sport saying "oh many I really need to drop that extra $5/month to see the EPL instead of the Bundesliga"
Not having that. The problem is NBCSN is already an extra cost. So NBC is charging you for two services. Also the fact that they started off showing every match, and have pulled more and more since; it’s greed and the response isn’t as aggressive enough.
 

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Interesting quotes from how Raul ran the Arsenal.
Explained: Why Sanllehi left Arsenal and what it means for Arteta and Edu

- In some respects, a degree of friction with the hierarchy was inevitable in Sanllehi’s role. He advocated for his coaches with fierce loyalty — in the case of Unai Emery, arguably to a fault — and if that meant pushing the Kroenkes out of their comfort zone, then so be it.

- For some, the first black mark against Sanllehi came in April 2019, when he led high-level discussions about extending Emery’s contract without first receiving approval from owners Kroenke Sports & Entertainment (KSE). Although Arsenal’s analytics department put paid to the proposal by exposing Emery’s worrying underlying metrics, Sanllehi’s decision to seize the initiative was not well received in Denver.

- ...a member of the board sought to have a one-to-one meeting with head coach Mikel Arteta, only to be informed the meeting could only take place in Sanllehi’s presence. Similarly, Sanllehi opposed the proposal to add David O’Leary to the board to provide football oversight. As someone who survived several regime changes at Barcelona, Sanllehi came from a world where jostling for power is simply part of the game.

- Both the scouting and analytics department felt sidelined as Sanllehi collaborated with a trusted network of intermediaries, leading to questions over whether Arsenal were casting their net sufficiently wide in their recruitment.

- Three of Arsenal’s last four signings have been represented by Kia Joorabchian. Arturo Canales, a long-time associate of Sanllehi, moved his operation to the UK shortly after Sanllehi’s ascension at Arsenal. It was Canales who represented Emery in talks over his appointment and possible extension. When Arsenal needed a left-sided centre-half in January, they opted for a Canales client in Pablo Mari.

- The Athletic understands Arsenal exceeded the asking price for Bernd Leno and paid €5 million above the buyout clause for Lucas Torreira. A year before he joined Arsenal, Nicolas Pepe was available for less than half what Arsenal ultimately agreed to pay Lille, with one Premier League director describing the eventual £72 million price-tag as “crazy”.

- To some current and former staff, the set-up felt uncomfortably cosy. At one point in his reign, Arsene Wenger was so opposed to the influence of agents that he insisted any meetings with intermediaries be held in London Colney’s media building, away from football matters.

- Sanllehi even left some intermediaries feeling compelled to go through Canales when attempting to negotiate contract renewals. Joorabchian and others have been invited into the directors’ box. On the day Cedric Soares and Mari joined on loan, Sanllehi joined contract specialist Huss Fahmy and technical director Edu Gaspar at an informal dinner along with the players, Canales and Joorabchian.

- A lifelong Arsenal fan, Lewis is a partner at London-based law firm Clifford Chance. He is regarded as one of the leading mergers and acquisitions lawyers in the world and spent four years advising Stan Kroenke on his investment into Arsenal, from his initial share purchase in 2007 to his takeover in 2011. Lewis’ appointment was intended to give KSE some eyes on the ground in London, The Athletic has been told. Josh Kroenke, who had been a fairly frequent visitor to Arsenal before the pandemic, is understood to have felt frustrated at not being able to continue overseeing the club’s affairs in person. Lewis was also tasked with helping oversee an audit of Arsenal’s spending across all departments — a process that contributed directly to the redundancies Arsenal have announced.

- Sanllehi, however, was a central figure in those talks. The Athletic understands he was the club’s sole negotiator in contract renewal discussions with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, and that he was holding talks with Lille regarding the signing of Brazilian centre-half Gabriel Magalhaes — a signing recommended by departing chief scout Francis Cagigao — and working on a move for Atletico Madrid’s midfielder Thomas Partey.
 

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This is also ridiculous. I’ve started calling Peacock by the half of its name that isn’t Pea.

going to start watching Bundesliga

It's getting worse, because major rumours say that NBC is going to follow this similar format with the NHL putting some games on this service.

Like I wouldn't care about Peacock as I don't care about ESPN+, but why does it have to be so utterly forced?
 
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It's getting worse, because major rumours say that NBC is going to follow this similar format with the NHL putting some games on this service.

Like I wouldn't care about Peacock as I don't care about ESPN+, but why does it have to be so utterly forced?
Honestly NBC putting NHL on Peacock would be the best endgame, because then I can just dump NBCSN all together. Making me pay for both (which I’m not doing) is the problem.

at least with ESPN+, Mrs. Savant can get Disney Plus and Hulu with that bundle.
 

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It's getting worse, because major rumours say that NBC is going to follow this similar format with the NHL putting some games on this service.

Like I wouldn't care about Peacock as I don't care about ESPN+, but why does it have to be so utterly forced?
The big issue is that xfinity isn’t easily accessible all across the country. Like I love peacock because I have xfinity so it’s free, but there’s a lot of places that this just f***s a lot of people over with.
 

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Following the NHL tv marketing strategy in the US would be such a great idea.

why not bring back the Outdoors Network and bury EPL games on a channel 1% of the country has?
 

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The argument was simple. After a defeat, SEPH fees like Aouar would have made a difference. Thus, Arsenal should spend. But Leeds showed you didn't have to to hurt Pool.
We need Aouar even if yesterday was a win or defeat.

Also @bluesfan94 is right that we've spent money, but only on wages'. Majority of the players we've signed were frees with heavy involvement from Raul Sanllehi with his agent friends. We didn't need all of them, but randomly got a couple for some reason except that he wanted his agents to find places for some of these players. Like Mari wasn't going to be bought at all if it wasn't for Arsenal, but he's the one I have the most faith in when it comes to helping the backline. He's much more calmer than the defenders we played yesterday.
 

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Or bad to lose to Liverpool.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is that if Arsenal had scored second, we wouldn't have "dropped" three points there. It's one thing if it's in the last ~10 minutes, but when it's that early, give me a break.

That's like in hockey when they talk about "come-from-behind" wins. Man, if a game starts 1-0 and the other team scores twice, it's suddenly a come from behind win. And then the first team can have a come from behind win too. They're meaningless phrases to drive a narrative
 

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Yeah, but what I'm saying is that if Arsenal had scored second, we wouldn't have "dropped" three points there. It's one thing if it's in the last ~10 minutes, but when it's that early, give me a break.

That's like in hockey when they talk about "come-from-behind" wins. Man, if a game starts 1-0 and the other team scores twice, it's suddenly a come from behind win. And then the first team can have a come from behind win too. They're meaningless phrases to drive a narrative
Yeah, the thing that Koyvoo posted is one of those political memes that your stupid friends post on Facebook which turns out to be nonsense hot-takes by fact-cheques. I'm pretty sure we all have one of those friends regardless to which party they belong to lol.

When they fired Emery and hired Arteta, it was probably the darkest period for this club in like twenty to thirty years where nobody was in form, all the players lacked confidence, the defensive system was a joke, and so were the defensive players. Again, when Klopp first joined Liverpool they were a joke too and squandered leads all the time. Arsenal's early first three months with Arteta had him rebuilding the tactics and confidence which lead to many games that drew, which explains the hot-take meme that was originally posted.
 

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I mean, Arsenal's record at traditional big 6 sides in the last couple of seasons isn't great right now. That makes some sense considering they're on the way up. They've been able to score, they just can't hold onto it.

I also think it does mean something, but it isn't the end of the world. When you build a lead, you want to hold it. So far Arsenal not being able to do so is a problem that needs to be fixed. Sure, they have time to do so. If that stat still holds water in a season or two, then I think it's a note for concern. Especially if that is after they've integrated new players.
 

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Yeah, the thing that Koyvoo posted is one of those political memes that your stupid friends post on Facebook which turns out to be nonsense hot-takes by fact-cheques. I'm pretty sure we all have one of those friends regardless to which party they belong to lol.

When they fired Emery and hired Arteta, it was probably the darkest period for this club in like twenty to thirty years where nobody was in form, all the players lacked confidence, the defensive system was a joke, and so were the defensive players. Again, when Klopp first joined Liverpool they were a joke too and squandered leads all the time. Arsenal's early first three months with Arteta had him rebuilding the tactics and confidence which lead to many games that drew, which explains the hot-take meme that was originally posted.
It’s from Optus Sport. I highly doubt it’s incorrect. Something that is fact cannot be a hot take.
 

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I hate this because it makes it a bad thing to have gone up on Liverpool
The thing is is that’s it’s much more unlikely to lose a game from a winning scoreline than it is from an neutral scoreline, so it’s not that’s it’s trying to emphasize that going up on Liverpool was a bad thing, but that losing the points from a situation where it’s less likely to lose points is a bad thing. Particularly if it happens to you more frequently than it does to any other team.
 
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