Friedman: Preds only untouchables are Josi, Ellis and Rinne

[Gnashville]

Foresberg to the islanders please.

FYI Trotz was not a Forsberg fan when he was in Nashville.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

FYI Trotz was not a Forsberg fan when he was in Nashville.

Are you referring to him being sent to Milwaukee or something more? I remember a player that was talented but not quite ready to be a consistent contributor who came back the next season as a more impactful and complete player. No qualms about that decision here. I doubt Trotz would have any issues with him.

 

[SI90]

FYI Trotz was not a Forsberg fan when he was in Nashville.

didnt know that. What about Ardvisson?

 

[Armourboy]

Only issue Trotz had with Forsberg was that he thought he needed to work on his defensive game so he would be more well rounded. I seriously doubt he would have an issue with him now.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Until Askarov is ready, Rinne is still important to the Preds
Saros leaves too much net to shoot into & the league seems to have finally figured out Saros.

 

[Gnashville]

didnt know that. What about Ardvisson?

Are you referring to him being sent to Milwaukee or something more? I remember a player that was talented but not quite ready to be a consistent contributor who came back the next season as a more impactful and complete player. No qualms about that decision here. I doubt Trotz would have any issues with him.

I may have confused FF with Ekholm as I think about it. I remember Trotz said one of them was horrible and would never play in the NHL much.

 

[triggrman]

I may have confused FF with Ekholm as I think about it. I remember Trotz said one of them was horrible and would never play in the NHL much.

Was that Ekholm or Franson?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I may have confused FF with Ekholm as I think about it. I remember Trotz said one of them was horrible and would never play in the NHL much.

I think it was Ekholm who he specifically called out at one point early on, and he only really played one full season under Trotz. I know there was a lot of criticism of Trotz for being responsible for sending Forsberg back to Milwaukee his first year here, but I think hindsight (and a tempering of fans' attitudes toward Trotz) has shown that to be a beneficial move.

 

[Richard88]

What would be the price of Johansen with some retention?

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Was that Ekholm or Franson?

It was Ekholm but he was only 21 at the time. To give you an idea of how long ago that was, Teemu Laakso replaced Ekholm until Francis Bouillon came back from a concussion.

 

[PredsHabs]

What would be the price of Johansen with some retention?

Make an offer!

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What would be the price of Johansen with some retention?

Just depends on the amount of retention, I guess. Generally: "free to a good home". But I don't want to give up any decent pick to move him or anything like that.

 

[darth5]

Agree with many Preds followers saying FF9 is not really seriously on offer. The guy might be the ONLY player to rely on being productive post season. Period. There are quite a few pieces that could be in play based on term/contract.
Count me in with those saying Hynes is not the right coach for this roster. Question is, can you reload on the fly and not blow it up with him behidn the bench? So far nothing to suggest it would work. I know this has been a weird couple of years, and we have an expansion draft to think about also. Could hardly think of a worse time to need this restructuring.

 

[RandomTask26]

Just depends on the amount of retention, I guess. Generally: "free to a good home". But I don't want to give up any decent pick to move him or anything like that.

Johansen for Shea Weber

You guys liked Weber right???

 

[Patagonia]

Make an offer!

AVs could offer

Graves + Compher + Donskoi

for

Johansen (no retention)

 

[GoldOnGold]

AVs could offer

Graves + Compher + Donskoi

for

Johansen (no retention)

Why do you want Johansen? Mac - Kadri is a pretty good pairing.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

AVs could offer

Graves + Compher + Donskoi

for

Johansen (no retention)

It's an interesting idea, anyway. Pay more, but shave 2 years off. And then if we got lucky we might be able to liquidate some of those lesser guys more easily in the meantime. Seattle might take one, where they wouldn't take Johansen.

 

[Richard88]

Make an offer!

Just depends on the amount of retention, I guess. Generally: "free to a good home". But I don't want to give up any decent pick to move him or anything like that.

Honestly I have no idea what his value would be as it's hard to know how negative that caphit is versus his value as a player.

AVs could offer

Graves + Compher + Donskoi

for

Johansen (no retention)

Interesting suggestion. Think some retention would be desireable though, especially for the 2023/24 season when Mackinnon and Byram will get raises.

Why do you want Johansen? Mac - Kadri is a pretty good pairing.

Avs need a middle 6 C, either a 3C or a 2C to push Kadri down. A 2C would put the team over the top more than a 3C would.

 

[Patagonia]

Why do you want Johansen? Mac - Kadri is a pretty good pairing.

Mack is going nowhere. Kadri will be a UFA in a few years, but future is unknown with his current struggles. Newhook is likely in the AHL or 3C/4C next season.

AVs need either a 2C/3C. Johansen would fill an important need after Mack and shift the other players into better roles.

Mack
Johansem
Kadri
Newhook

 

[GoldOnGold]

Mack is going nowhere. Kadri will be a UFA in a few years, but future is unknown with his current struggles. Newhook is likely in the AHL or 3C/4C next season.

AVs need either a 2C/3C. Johansen would fill an important need after Mack and shift the other players into better roles.

Mack
Johansem
Kadri
Newhook

That makes sense.

I would heavily consider the Graves/Compher/Donskoi offer. The fact that there's no retention makes it very appealing.

 

[Patagonia]

That makes sense.

I would heavily consider the Graves/Compher/Donskoi offer. The fact that there's no retention makes it very appealing.

Financial savings and flexibility heavily favours the Preds. Consider the contract numbers after this season:

• Compher - $3.5M Cap @ 2 years ($8M owed)
• Donskoi - $3.9M Cap @ 2 years ($7.8M owed)
• Graves - $3.17M Cap @ 2 years ($8M owed)

$10.57M Cap @ 2 years ($23.8M owed)

vs​

• Johnansen - $8M Cap @ 4 years ($32M owed)

AVs benefit in solidifying the 2C role with the hopes of a bounce back season. Kadri is a pending UFA after next season and not resigned the current $4.5M to reduce the $8.2M salary discrepancy.

Preds rid a difficult contract by obtaining 3 serviceable players that can easily be traded or allowed to finish their contracts 2 years sooner allowing much needed financial flexibility.

 

[Richard88]

Financial savings and flexibility heavily favours the Preds. Consider the contract numbers after this season:

• Compher - $3.5M Cap @ 2 years ($8M owed)
• Donskoi - $3.9M Cap @ 2 years ($7.8M owed)
• Graves - $3.17M Cap @ 2 years ($8M owed)

$10.57M Cap @ 2 years ($23.8M owed)

vs​

• Johnansen - $8M Cap @ 4 years ($32M owed)

AVs benefit in solidifying the 2C role with the hopes of a bounce back season. Kadri is a pending UFA after next season and not resigned the current $4.5M to reduce the $8.2M salary discrepancy.

Preds rid a difficult contract by obtaining 3 serviceable players that can easily be traded or allowed to finish their contracts 2 years sooner allowing much needed financial flexibility.

Avs would be short of a 3rd line winger if they moved both Donskoi and Compher, with only Nichuskin, Calvert, and Jost (along with Kaut/Bowers but they're question marks still). How about including Jarnkrok or Granlund in the trade as well?

Landeskog ---- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
Burakovsky ---- Johansen ----- Saad
Nichuskin -------- Kadri -------- Jarnkrok/Granlund
Calvert --------- Bellemare ----- Jost

 

[Tysonson3]

Avs would be short of a 3rd line winger if they moved both Donskoi and Compher, with only Nichuskin, Calvert, and Jost (along with Kaut/Bowers but they're question marks still). How about including Jarnkrok or Granlund in the trade as well?

Landeskog ---- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
Burakovsky ---- Johansen ----- Saad
Nichuskin -------- Kadri -------- Jarnkrok/Granlund
Calvert --------- Bellemare ----- Jost

I think granlund is too valuable to be included in that trade, preds would want to recoup some picks and prospects for him. Jarnkrok could probably be done. Would haula interest you? Don’t think we’d ask any additional assets for him

 

[Richard88]

I think granlund is too valuable to be included in that trade, preds would want to recoup some picks and prospects for him. Jarnkrok could probably be done. Would haula interest you? Don’t think we’d ask any additional assets for him

Jarnkrok would be fine. Or we could add a pick for Granlund. Doubt Haula would be of interest if we got Johansen as we'd have Kadri at 3C in that case.

 

[Richard88]

That makes sense.

I would heavily consider the Graves/Compher/Donskoi offer. The fact that there's no retention makes it very appealing.

If Nashville retained $2m what would you want the Avs to add to that package?