ILoveStephanieBrown
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We wouldn't do that either. We are going to wait for 2-5 years and hope we actually develop a productive dman.
Homer, is that you?
We wouldn't do that either. We are going to wait for 2-5 years and hope we actually develop a productive dman.
It is completely obvious that this franchise will not do a full rebuild. The closest they came to this was trading Forsberg in 2007. So the idea of trading multiple veterans and especially Giroux is silly in its impossibility. That being said, it is dangerous to maintain the mindset that this team needs to win a Cup while Giroux is here. Chances are, the franchise will probably "waste" his peak years while they slowly remedy the years of ignoring the talent pipeline. Plus, as was stated, defensemen tend to peak later than forwards, so trends are working against the Flyers becoming SC candidates through the D prospects on whom we are focusing while Giroux is still at the top of his game.
The odds are that Hextall will follow the middle ground of letting the youngsters develop without knee-jerk trades for middling past-their-prime vets who might contribute to a couple of post-season wins, while still looking to make the team as competitive as possible each year. That's not entirely a bad thing, but he, we and the rest of the Flyers FO have to come to terms that this squad will probably get worse before they get better while the old guard gives way to the rookies.
Giroux is 26 and is just starting an eight year deal. If his prime doesn't include at least the next five years then they shouldn't have signed him for that long.
with this current crop on D they're much farther away than the majority of the opinions here.I don't think they're as far away as most of you seem to.
with this current crop on D they're much farther away than the majority of the opinions here.
our best pair would be the bottom pairing on the Rangers
you can say the same when looking at LA and Chicago also
Hard to put a timeline on things. Circumstances change and can change quickly -- or obnoxiously stay the same.
Giroux is 26 and is just starting an eight year deal. If his prime doesn't include at least the next five years then they shouldn't have signed him for that long.
well duhNope, the D isn't as bad as you think. Swap a few pieces and it improves immediately too.
Don't be all upset just because some people want to be patient instead of impatient and overpay for someone who isn't a legit #1. Inaction is better than a stupid action.
It is completely obvious that this franchise will not do a full rebuild. The closest they came to this was trading Forsberg in 2007. So the idea of trading multiple veterans and especially Giroux is silly in its impossibility. That being said, it is dangerous to maintain the mindset that this team needs to win a Cup while Giroux is here. Chances are, the franchise will probably "waste" his peak years while they slowly remedy the years of ignoring the talent pipeline. Plus, as was stated, defensemen tend to peak later than forwards, so trends are working against the Flyers becoming SC candidates through the D prospects on whom we are focusing while Giroux is still at the top of his game.
The odds are that Hextall will follow the middle ground of letting the youngsters develop without knee-jerk trades for middling past-their-prime vets who might contribute to a couple of post-season wins, while still looking to make the team as competitive as possible each year. That's not entirely a bad thing, but he, we and the rest of the Flyers FO have to come to terms that this squad will probably get worse before they get better while the old guard gives way to the rookies.
Being patient is fine, if we were built right. But we are not. All of our good young F core are going to have their best years while we wait for our kids on D to become NHL level dmen. Then it will be another few years after that until they are very good dmen. At that point, Giroux has had his peak and is declining, Voracek and Coburn might be gone as a UFA's and Simmonds is slowing down like Hartnell has.
Our best forwards in Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couts and Schenn, all just had their best or 2nd best years of their young careers this year. Sort of feels wasted to me. So let's assume that they all do so again the next 2 years. It will all be wasted.
Simple question, if you all want to wait and build thru this young group of kids on D, then shouldn't the plan be to trade ALL of the players over 23 for GREAT returns now and then have the kids on D, on F and in goal all coming up a peaking together?
And again, if we "stand pat" and do nothing, and a Kimmo retires, please show me our top pairing D that we look forward to having next year.
Giroux is still really young. In three years he'll still be on the right side of the 30 year old cliff so many of us worry about. When he falls off that cliff he'll likely still be productive due to his PP wizardry.
I'm also not worried because Dmen don't take nearly as long to develop these days. Here's a list to make you optimistic the wait won't be long:
Shattenkirk-25
Pietrangelo-24
OEL-22
Karlsson-23(norris@21)
P.K.-25(norris@24)
Trouba-20
Josi-23
Weber-28(norris finalist for years, first norris vote@21?)
Being patient is fine, if we were built right. But we are not. All of our good young F core are going to have their best years while we wait for our kids on D to become NHL level dmen. Then it will be another few years after that until they are very good dmen. At that point, Giroux has had his peak and is declining, Voracek and Coburn might be gone as a UFA's and Simmonds is slowing down like Hartnell has.
Our best forwards in Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couts and Schenn, all just had their best or 2nd best years of their young careers this year. Sort of feels wasted to me. So let's assume that they all do so again the next 2 years. It will all be wasted.
Simple question, if you all want to wait and build thru this young group of kids on D, then shouldn't the plan be to trade ALL of the players over 23 for GREAT returns now and then have the kids on D, on F and in goal all coming up a peaking together?
And again, if we "stand pat" and do nothing, and a Kimmo retires, please show me our top pairing D that we look forward to having next year.
Uhh, you can't use allstars and franchise #1D to use an example for the development of defenseman... they don't all end up like that....
Uhh, you can't use allstars and franchise #1D to use an example for the development of defenseman... they don't all end up like that....
Can anybody describe Weber's developmental path? At what point after he was drafted did 29 NHL franchises punch themselves in the genitals for passing on him?
I really don't see the difference in waiting a year or two to see what we have unless a deal too good to pass comes to the forefront. It seems like some people on here want to be an armchair GM too much that they desparately want something to happen for the sake of happening.
He was perceived as a raw player, on the surface he was big bruising defensive defensemen with a potential growing offensive skills.