Adding an Edler or Ehrhoff would do wonders for this team. Holland should do everything in his power to try and swing one of those trades WITHOUT giving up those guys you mention (though I'd be willing to part with Pulkkinen, but not Mrazek). Sadly I doubt it can happen without one of those guys going, but one can always hope. Closer to the deadline when teams run out of options and are under pressure to get a deal done maybe the price can go down.Think it's in this teams best interest to stand pat. Price is too steep for all the available big names and they all come with no guarantee we would even make the playoffs. The future of this team is bright no sense in breaking up this group of young players. I'd be happy making a small deal for a rental D-man like Derek Morris or Robidas for a mid round pick. Just not worth it for us to get involved in these high stakes deals given our current standing. I'll be surprised (and mad) if any of Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Sheahan, Mantha, Jarnkrok, or Pulkkinen are moved.
LeBrun says the Wings are pursuing Ehrhoff... but that's LeBrun, and he works for ESPN, and ESPN is effectively an amateur news site where the NHL is concerned. So forget that.
He put up back to back 70P + seasons three years ago while playing excellent two-way hockey.
Yes, that was through 2009-2011, but he still did it while playing behind the Sedins (he sometimes played with them on the wing, though).
and since then he's been more of a 50 point player
things change,3 years ago Daniel Sedin won the Art Ross. how's that working out for him?
He's also done work for CBC. LeBrun's legit. My question is whether he stated that they're actually pursuing him or whether he's of the belief that they'd pursue him. Big difference. For example, when Kesler being traded news broke, LeBrun speculated that Detroit would be a team interested but that's not the same as Detroit is actively interested.
Buffalo might be the epicentre of TradeCentre. Might Ehrhoff be traded?
Dreger: Well there's a lot of interest in Christian Ehrhoff, as there is in Tyler Myers. In Ehrhoff you get a bit more experience. I know the Detroit Red Wings would like to beef up their blue line. There's some interest in Christian Ehrhoff but Kenny Holland is trying to hold on to what he has in his youth, so the asking price is going to have to come down.
I love that they want a 20-25 year old center who "can fill the void left by Kesler." Why the **** would anyone trade a guy who is at least 5 years younger if he is capable of filling Kesler's shoes to any extent plus a first plus a top prospect.
I would not trade Tatar for Kesler straight up.
I agree on Kesler. I don't think he is the player the Wings need at this moment. He has had health issues, plays a style where he may be exiting his prime vs entering it, is going to cost a ton, is basically a 50 pt player, and probably wouldn't be able to play center on the Wings. Kesler is the type of player you deal for when you are close to a cup, and you don't really need youth for awhile.
I just don't see the point of trading Nyquist (63 pt pace) or Tatar (41pt pace). I mean it is very likely that both of these guys will out point Kesler within a year and do so on cheaper contracts and cost the Wings nothing but money. They'll probably never win Selkes, but the Wings at this moment don't need Selke worthy centers. They've got 5 centers that range from either outstanding to above average defensively in (Helm, Z, Dats, Sheahan, and Weiss). That isn't going to change likely anytime soon. What is going to change is the ability of Dats and Z to put up high point totals, and that's what the Wings will need help with.
I would however be very game in terms of trading for a PP QB, because I don't really see one in the system. The Wings have a bunch of great two way guys like Marchenko, Backman, Oulette. They also have some great skaters/ jump up into the play guys like Jensen and Smith. They may also have that elite PP bomb in Sproul (Pulu/ Frk/etc). What they don't have on the team or in the system is the guy that can run an elite PP, a true QB. Almquist is the closest they have, but I honestly doubt he ever makes it full time with the Wings due to his size. He should be our first D callup this year and outside of the one time early in the year hasn't seen the NHL ice.
the reason why we shouldnt even discuss kesler is simple... weiss
kesler is not a tatar/sheahan/nyquist and 1st rd pick better then weiss
that is the way we have to think about it
how much better then weiss is kesler(and the real weiss not this years injured version)?
kesler is for sure better but not to any extreme thats for sure
we're in desperate need for a top 3 youngish dman and that is all KH should be concerned with. Its clearly something he recognizes(jaybo, suter, yandle, edler talk of last # of years proves that)
i dont believe ehrhoff or edler will cost as much as their fanbases say
holland can not continue to strike out though if we ever want to be able to take that next step with or young guy
When looking those Corsi-figures, I really think we should go after Alexander Edler. He has had very tough qualcomp in that tough Pacific division, almost double harder than Red Wings TOP4 defenceman have got at this season. His role at Canucks has been kind of Smith-like, if I compare Canucks internal defensive usage distribution to Red Wings distribution. But I think he would shine at easy East immediately. Smith has been sheltered even at easy east, when Edler has had the toughest qualcomp on his team at toughest NHL division.
He can also play PK on a second pair, and then we would have a great total defensive balance, even if we let Quincey walk at next summer.
I like him as a PP quarterback, more than I like Kronwall. Nothing against Kronner, but Edler would make us better.
How does his ice-times fit in:
TOTAL/Ice-time:
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Kronwall 24:15
Edler 23:23
Ericsson 21:22
DeKeyser 21:07
Quincey 20:36
Smith 18:28
Kindl 17:52
Lashoff 14:46
PP Ice-time:
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Kronwall 3:28
Edler 2:53
Kindl 2:18
DeKeyser 1:21
(Almquist 1:14)
Ericsson 0:27
Quincey 0:23
Smith 0:09
(Lashoff 0:01)
So Edler would take the 1st PP point role with Alfredsson. Kronwall would go to 2nd unit with DeKeyser, Kindl or Smith (hopefully he gets his offensive role some day). That should bolster both units and Kronner would go back towards his old role. Or, you could also go with 2 defencemen on the point and put Alfie on the slot. Kronwall - Edler, DeKeyser-Kindl/Smith.
If someone like TAtar is sacrificed in Edler trade, we could have this kind of PP units:
Zeta - Dats - Mule (Nyquist at Zeta spot until Zeta is healthy)
Edler - Alfie
Jurco - Sheahan - Nyquist (Weiss at Nyquist's spot, before Zeta is healthy. When healthy, Jurco/Sheahan - Weiss - Nyquist in 2nd unit)
Kronwall - Kindl/Smith
PK Ice-time:
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Kronwall 3:08
Ericsson 3:05
Quincey 2:32
(Lashoff 2:23)
Edler 2:21
Dekeyser 2:15
Smith 1:01
Kindl 0:06
I would like this PK Ice-time distribution A LOT. Kronner-Ericsson is the 1st pair, then you have three equal guys Quincey, DeKeyser and Edler to be used at 2nd pair. (I see Lashoff as a 7th guy even though he has played almost all the games because of other guys injuries... but he is fine 7th.) If one defenceman is in a box, you still have four decent guys to roll on PK. This is in my opinion a perfect defence.
What I have read those trade-discussions, Canucks-guys have told that they don't need prospect centers or defencemen. They want young forwards and wingers forwards fit best in if they keep Kesler. I really think that because we have so many great winger prospects (maybe too many, all will never fit to Red Wings anyhow) behind proven guys like Tatar that would interest the opposite organization, we should consider really hard this chance to acquire Edler and sending at least one young great winger to Vancouver. We have Pulkkinen knocking the door etc. could have realgud home-grown replacements for the lost player.
How do Edler and Ehrhoff compare in these stats?