Please Kyle, just a few tweaks

[The CyNick]

Good ol' Lou left 2 gifts in a Marleau contract next year at 6 million for his age 40 season, and 5 more years of Zaitsev, with a NTC that kicks in this July.

Zaitsev was his only bad move. I criticized that move the minute it was announced.

If you think Marleau is a negative perhaps you might want to talk to members of our young core and get their feedback on the player .

Plus you're trying to change the subject. It's not critique Lou, it's what has our young GM done to help the team. So far his moves have all been disasters. Please try to rebute that point.

 

[LeafFever]

Zaitsev was his only bad move. I criticized that move the minute it was announced.

If you think Marleau is a negative perhaps you might want to talk to members of our young core and get their feedback on the player .

Plus you're trying to change the subject. It's not critique Lou, it's what has our young GM done to help the team. So far his moves have all been disasters. Please try to rebute that point.

Perhaps you want to watch him play. I really don't care about "Intangibles" arguments, the guy has lost a massive step this year, He's just terrible and playing far too much.

 

[LeafFever]

It's rediculous because JT was going to sign here no matter who the GM was. Is it your claim that if Lou was still the GM JT would have rejected our offer? I hope you say you think that so you can reveal you ignorance on the subject.

Based on what? He was seriously considering the Islanders the night before July 1st. It took him a long time to even get back to Dubas. It was no slam dunk.

Can you point to comments you made prior to July 1st about it being a lock JT was coming here? I was one of the very few who suggested it was even possible. So why has the narrative changed? So you don't have to give Dubas credit?

Of course Dubas gets credit. His presentation got raves from everyone.

Lou failed to keep the franchise star and then traded for Matt Martin and overpaid Leo.

 

[Menzinger]

It's also funny that the narrative now is JT was always coming to the Leafs, yet in June no one thought that at all. Not on this board, or any, or any of the media. I actually asked in a JT thread in late June why no one thought there was any chance of him coming here.

Oh, the suggestion that JT was a lock to sign with the Leafs is simply laughable not grounded at all in reality.

Not a single significant member of the media said that was the case. The Leafs have historically been horrible at attracting big names free agents - for example Lou and Shanahan failed to convince childhood Leaf fan Steve Stamkos just a season earlier to sign. And JT sat through several multi hour presentations from different teams on July 1st before making up his mind. And all media report son the process after July 1st discusses how JT was impressed by the Leafs pitch.

 

[robertmac43]

I understand the want for tweaks and all that but 1) I don't think they are that necessary atm, and 2) it all comes at a price, so be careful what you wish for.

Also people talk as if Dubas is not on the phones exploring options with different teams. Its got a be a perfect fit for him to make the move, we are no position to make rash trade decisions and we don't need to rush anything.

 

[LeafFever]

Oh, the suggestion that JT was a lock to sign with the Leafs is simply laughable not grounded at all in reality.

Not a single significant member of the media said that was the case. The Leafs have historically been horrible at attracting big names free agents - for example Lou and Shanahan failed to convince childhood Leaf fan Steve Stamkos just a season earlier to sign. And JT sat through several multi hour presentations from different teams on July 1st before making up his mind. And all media report son the process after July 1st discusses how JT was impressed by the Leafs pitch.

That TSN crew looked pretty stunned the moment they announced the signing.

It's just aggravating people now saying it was a lock. You were laughed at if you suggestion Tavrares was coming to the Leafs last June.

 

[stickty111]

 

[The CyNick]

Perhaps you want to watch him play. I really don't care about "Intangibles" arguments, the guy has lost a massive step this year, He's just terrible and playing far too much.

I'm sure your record judging NHL talent is unquestioned.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Based on what? He was seriously considering the Islanders the night before July 1st. It took him a long time to even get back to Dubas. It was no slam dunk.

Can you point to comments you made prior to July 1st about it being a lock JT was coming here? I was one of the very few who suggested it was even possible. So why has the narrative changed? So you don't have to give Dubas credit?

Of course Dubas gets credit. His presentation got raves from everyone.

Lou failed to keep the franchise star and then traded for Matt Martin and overpaid Leo.

How do you figure Dubas convinced Tavares to take a pay cut in the millions to come here?

 

[The CyNick]

Based on what? He was seriously considering the Islanders the night before July 1st. It took him a long time to even get back to Dubas. It was no slam dunk.

Can you point to comments you made prior to July 1st about it being a lock JT was coming here? I was one of the very few who suggested it was even possible. So why has the narrative changed? So you don't have to give Dubas credit?

Of course Dubas gets credit. His presentation got raves from everyone.

Lou failed to keep the franchise star and then traded for Matt Martin and overpaid Leo.

I didn't say it was a lock all along. What I am saying is that if we had our young GM or Lou the outcome would have been the same. The GM of the Leafs was way down on his list of variables that would sway his decision. He was coming here to: 1. Win, 2. Play out a boyhood dream, 3. Play for a HOF coach, 4. Play with an excellent crop of young stars 5. Be close to his family.

So your really think Dubas pulled together some PowerPoint presentation that was the difference between JT staying in the Island vs coming here? Talk about grasping at straws.

Most people had the Isles pegged as a bottom feeder this year. Lou added some pros and solidified their goaltending and they're in a playoff spot. Sound familiar? Meanwhile our current young GM managed to gut our goaltending and didn't realize signing one our young core pieces was a priority until the season had already started. I know which guy I would rather have.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He's dumb as a rock. No hockey IQ at all.

Have you talked to Gards? We got some jock brains too.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Oh, the suggestion that JT was a lock to sign with the Leafs is simply laughable not grounded at all in reality.

Not a single significant member of the media said that was the case. The Leafs have historically been horrible at attracting big names free agents - for example Lou and Shanahan failed to convince childhood Leaf fan Steve Stamkos just a season earlier to sign. And JT sat through several multi hour presentations from different teams on July 1st before making up his mind. And all media report son the process after July 1st discusses how JT was impressed by the Leafs pitch.

The Toronto media were all over the map on what went on with Tavares. They had ZERO knowledge of what occurred. From what I read on here on hf boards Tavares was always deciding between the Island and coming here. It was only one of 2 choices. and he chose here.

Stammer was never a Toronto kid. He was always in the OMHA playing for Titanic in Markham. When he was given option to play in GTHL for Marlies he declined. Also his fiance was never going to let him come to Toronto. I sat by her at a game last year and she thought Toronto was where the Eskimos live. She could not wait to get on plane and bolt town. So that story was just a pipe dream created by someone sports writer. Anyone who looked into it deeply would have figured out the truth.

 

[The CyNick]

The Toronto media were all over the map on what went on with Tavares. They had ZERO knowledge of what occurred. From what I read on here on hf boards Tavares was always deciding between the Island and coming here. It was only one of 2 choices. and he chose here.

Stammer was never a Toronto kid. He was always in the OMHA playing for Titanic in Markham. When he was given option to play in GTHL for Marlies he declined. Also his fiance was never going to let him come to Toronto. I sat by her at a game last year and she thought Toronto was where the Eskimos live. She could not wait to get on plane and bolt town. So that story was just a pipe dream created by someone sports writer. Anyone who looked into it deeply would have figured out the truth.

The women in players lives is a huge factor. This was one of the reasons I was fairly certain JT was coming here the longer he went without signing an extension in Long Island.

You want to ensure a Dynasty here, get McDavid with a nice Toronto girl.

 

[sessiroth]

I'd love to see the leafs experiment more. We don't really need a typical 4th line since the first 3 lines can easily play 20 mins a game.

With those 3 slots you can add a specialty 7th dmen who excels either on the pk or pp. Makes your special teams more dynamic, you can add an enforcer who doesn't really need to play or a faceoff specialist for key situations. Basically players who excell at one aspect of the game that are cheap.

I think that would bring more value to this team then a typical 4th line. Having the center Deph we do maybe we should take full advantage of it. Just a thought

 

[JT AM da real deal]

The women in players lives is a huge factor. This was one of the reasons I was fairly certain JT was coming here the longer he went without signing an extension in Long Island.

You want to ensure a Dynasty here, get McDavid with a nice Toronto girl.

He is dating one. But that would be a grand daddy deal of all time. McJesus for Matty. That would really shake things up.

 

[The CyNick]

He is dating one. But that would be a grand daddy deal of all time. McJesus for Matty. That would really shake things up.

I want them both. Line it up after JT retires.

Problem is he'll probably be traded out of Edmonton when they realize they built a garbage team around him.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

If you agree with the OP then a western conference team may be better suited for you. We're built around speed and skill not grit and fists so get over it and appreciate that we have the amount of talent that we do.

 

[Cobra777]

If you agree with the OP then a western conference team may be better suited for you. We're built around speed and skill not grit and fists so get over it and appreciate that we have the amount of talent that we do.

Our speed and skill is nullified when grit, high intensity fore checking teams play us, how can you not see that, our guys fall apart and cough up the puck and look slower because their heads are on a swivel and get plain out muscled. Add a couple Gary Roberts kind of proto type players and voila, this team could then match any style of play thrown at them. There right now is too many passengers not willing to pay the price to make the play and we are pushed around far too easy, Guys like Mathews and Nylander, quite a few more sort of disappear in rough types of games

 

[hfman]

if the leafs don't toughen up before april, they are going nowhere in the playoffs yet again

 

[Gabriel426]

I didn't say it was a lock all along. What I am saying is that if we had our young GM or Lou the outcome would have been the same. The GM of the Leafs was way down on his list of variables that would sway his decision. He was coming here to: 1. Win, 2. Play out a boyhood dream, 3. Play for a HOF coach, 4. Play with an excellent crop of young stars 5. Be close to his family.

So your really think Dubas pulled together some PowerPoint presentation that was the difference between JT staying in the Island vs coming here? Talk about grasping at straws.

Most people had the Isles pegged as a bottom feeder this year. Lou added some pros and solidified their goaltending and they're in a playoff spot. Sound familiar? Meanwhile our current young GM managed to gut our goaltending and didn't realize signing one our young core pieces was a priority until the season had already started. I know which guy I would rather have.

You do realize that Lou could have sign Willie since July 1, 2017, right? He didn’t do that nor had he done it during the 2017-18 season. So to just point the finger at Dubas and not doing the same to Lou is just not right.

 

[Ports]

If I'm judging dubas based on what he's done so far he's been a terrible gm.

The Kessel deal was trash. Nylander signing; we got bent over after a long holdout. Gave away a good backup for Sparks who's potential is a low end back up.

He got Tavares, but Tavares was coming here no matter who the gm was.

I hope he doesn't screw up the amazing situation he inherited

What did Dubas have to do with the Kessel deal?

 

[Gabriel426]

I want them both. Line it up after JT retires.

Problem is he'll probably be traded out of Edmonton when they realize they built a garbage team around him.

It is always my dream that McDavid will finish his current contract with the Oilers and sign with the Leafs for 1mil a season and stated that he is living his boyhood dream while getting paid millions.
Oh, he will also stated thanks Oilers for giving him his first 100mil.

 

[Ports]

He is dating one. But that would be a grand daddy deal of all time. McJesus for Matty. That would really shake things up.

In what world are the Oilers trading McJesus straight up for Matthews?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I'd love to see the leafs experiment more. We don't really need a typical 4th line since the first 3 lines can easily play 20 mins a game.

In the playoffs.

Rolling 4 lines in the regular season is the smart move.

We dont need Marner and Matthews to get more points. or get injured.

 

[ShaneFalco]

And all media report son the process after July 1st discusses how JT was impressed by the Leafs pitch.

And the direction they were going in, what was in the pipeline etc