Player Discussion: Martin Jones

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Waiving him is pointless. Nobody will claim him. He won't somehow get better in the AHL. They save no money after replacing him with an equally mediocre goalie. Pay a team on his list to take him or eat the 8 year buyout.

You're basing this all on a false premise. You don't know who Jones's replacement would be, but he's been below replacement level for over 1.5 seasons now, so you could probably find somebody better for a 7th round pick.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You're basing this all on a false premise. You don't know who Jones's replacement would be, but he's been below replacement level for over 1.5 seasons now, so you could probably find somebody better for a 7th round pick.

Sure I do. We have literally two options to choose from until the off-season which is what it's in reference to...doing it now. Shortridge and Korenar are terrible this year so nothing will change on that front. In the off-season, maybe we can get something but it's going to be costly. We're going to have to spend 3 mil to get rid of Jones on the buyout, another 3 mil most likely to get a step up from that whether it's Francouz or Greiss or Khudobin or Kuemper or Halak plus whatever we spend on signing a backup as well potentially another 2 million, that's 8 million in cap space with very little to make improvements elsewhere where there are gaping holes very much contributing to the goaltending problems.

 

[fasterthanlight]

When does the CBA expire? Maybe sharks mgmt can cause a lockout and get some amnesty buyouts

 

[Pinkfloyd]

When does the CBA expire? Maybe sharks mgmt can cause a lockout and get some amnesty buyouts

CBA doesn't expire until after the 2021-22 season but if they negotiate a new deal, it's conceivable to have amnesty buyouts as part of it. This would be a year after the Seattle expansion.

 

[fasterthanlight]

CBA doesn't expire until after the 2021-22 season but if they negotiate a new deal, it's conceivable to have amnesty buyouts as part of it. This would be a year after the Seattle expansion.

Thanks for the info!! Can you post hoc make a buyout an amnesty one? Probably not. I guess this isn't an option. At least we have 1st round picks for the next few years

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Thanks for the info!! Can you post hoc make a buyout an amnesty one? Probably not. I guess this isn't an option. At least we have 1st round picks for the next few years

They didn't previously unlikely would now.

 

[themelkman]

Honestly I think they should consider straight up buying him out next year. Like every game we play with him is for sure to be a loss and I don’t think you can even run him as a backup long term

 

[STL Shark]

1) Trade for Georgiev

2) Demote Jones to the minors

3) Run Georgiev/Dell for a month

4) Trade Dell at the TDL

5) Jones gets recalled to backup Georgiev for the remainder of the season.

6) Depending how #5 goes, you either keep Jones as the backup and expose him to Seattle or buy him out

Feels like a pretty cut and dry solution to the goaltending issues both this year and moving forward.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Honestly I think they should consider straight up buying him out next year. Like every game we play with him is for sure to be a loss and I don’t think you can even run him as a backup long term

I think it depends on what DW wants to do. Does he want to refresh/rebuild? If yes, that buyout does not help. But if he wants to add 2.8M to that 12.5M (after trading Sorensen) cap space by buying out Jones because he wants to sign a goalie and some top-9 wingers, it would make sense.

 

[themelkman]

I think it depends on what DW wants to do. Does he want to refresh/rebuild? If yes, that buyout does not help. But if he wants to add 2.8M to that 12.5M (after trading Sorensen) cap space by buying out Jones because he wants to sign a goalie and some top-9 wingers, it would make sense.

Hes not going to rebuild, we know hes going to go in on a couple UFA's this summer and swing a few trades and hope for the best next year.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think it depends on what DW wants to do. Does he want to refresh/rebuild? If yes, that buyout does not help. But if he wants to add 2.8M to that 12.5M (after trading Sorensen) cap space by buying out Jones because he wants to sign a goalie and some top-9 wingers, it would make sense.

I don't think that's much of a discussion. I think most will think he's going to continue to compete. It's a question of how he'll attempt to fill the gaping holes at the top of the lineup. They will likely need 10 million to fill those top spots up front. If they buy out Jones, they'll probably need 6 million for two goalies. The rest should be pretty close to minimum except for whoever they keep between Dillon and Simek. They're going to need to clear about 2 million minimum and that's being very generous on what they'd spend on certain depth spots and including removing Labanc since he'd be well above minimum if they re-sign him. If they keep him, he's probably getting 3-4 million which would need to be added in terms of what they need to clear to address the top six holes.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I don't think that's much of a discussion. I think most will think he's going to continue to compete. It's a question of how he'll attempt to fill the gaping holes at the top of the lineup. They will likely need 10 million to fill those top spots up front. If they buy out Jones, they'll probably need 6 million for two goalies. The rest should be pretty close to minimum except for whoever they keep between Dillon and Simek. They're going to need to clear about 2 million minimum and that's being very generous on what they'd spend on certain depth spots and including removing Labanc since he'd be well above minimum if they re-sign him. If they keep him, he's probably getting 3-4 million which would need to be added in terms of what they need to clear to address the top six holes.

I do think they are going to compete as well but them 'refreshing' for 1 year is something I can see as a possibility.

As far as Dillon and Simek are concerned, I think you sign the cheaper one of the two. But if that means spending more than 2M AAV, I would not even do that. Scour the UFA market for 2 vets who make 1.5M or lower and sign them. Middleton, Carrick and Merkley can be your depth D.

I 100% agree on your salary range for Labanc which is why I think we need to look at moving him. I think we need to load up our top-6 with skill/talent and let the kids fight for the bottom-6 spots. Bring back Kellman, Noesen, Suomela. Give chances to Gregor, Gambrell, Blichfeld and the rest to earn the remaining bottom-6 spots.

This team can be a lot more competitive next year if they get a better goalie i net and can acquire two decent wingers to plug into the top-6. Find a coach that can make the system work with Karlsson and Burns at the helm.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Caleb Jones picked a bad time to sign a contract extension. "Jones signs two year extension" pops up in pacific division latest posts = heart attack.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I do think they are going to compete as well but them 'refreshing' for 1 year is something I can see as a possibility.

As far as Dillon and Simek are concerned, I think you sign the cheaper one of the two. But if that means spending more than 2M AAV, I would not even do that. Scour the UFA market for 2 vets who make 1.5M or lower and sign them. Middleton, Carrick and Merkley can be your depth D.

I 100% agree on your salary range for Labanc which is why I think we need to look at moving him. I think we need to load up our top-6 with skill/talent and let the kids fight for the bottom-6 spots. Bring back Kellman, Noesen, Suomela. Give chances to Gregor, Gambrell, Blichfeld and the rest to earn the remaining bottom-6 spots.

This team can be a lot more competitive next year if they get a better goalie i net and can acquire two decent wingers to plug into the top-6. Find a coach that can make the system work with Karlsson and Burns at the helm.

I have my doubts that Simek will come in at 2 mil. Given the injury history and how he's played his way off of Burns' pairing, 1-1.5 mil seems about right. Give him two or three years and I think that's fine. Dillon is probably gone though so they need to get what they can for him. I'm okay with bringing back Noesen since he's the only UFA of that bunch. Everyone else should be a given. There's also whether Marleau and Thornton return for another year. I fully expect Marleau to return for one more year just for the record. Thornton, I think will come back but I'm not so sure about.

Between Goodrow, Sorensen, Marleau, Thornton, Kellman, Noesen, Suomela, and any of those kids, your bottom six is fine. But Couture, Kane, Meier, and Hertl need help and it has to be better than hoping Labanc and a rookie figure it out then hoping Marleau fits well enough for it when he's 40. My expectation is that DW will only grab one and still hold out hope for Labanc figuring it out which is better but I think Labanc is a bust at that level. He's a solid 3rd liner even though he's got huge warts even at that level but it's something that can be protected. I don't know if I'd want to pay 3-4 mil for that though. I think of Setoguchi when I think of Labanc's inconsistencies. Obviously different types of players but they're both high-potential but nothing defensively and a penchant for stupid decisions with the puck.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I have my doubts that Simek will come in at 2 mil. Given the injury history and how he's played his way off of Burns' pairing, 1-1.5 mil seems about right. Give him two or three years and I think that's fine. Dillon is probably gone though so they need to get what they can for him. I'm okay with bringing back Noesen since he's the only UFA of that bunch. Everyone else should be a given. There's also whether Marleau and Thornton return for another year. I fully expect Marleau to return for one more year just for the record. Thornton, I think will come back but I'm not so sure about.

Between Goodrow, Sorensen, Marleau, Thornton, Kellman, Noesen, Suomela, and any of those kids, your bottom six is fine. But Couture, Kane, Meier, and Hertl need help and it has to be better than hoping Labanc and a rookie figure it out then hoping Marleau fits well enough for it when he's 40. My expectation is that DW will only grab one and still hold out hope for Labanc figuring it out which is better but I think Labanc is a bust at that level. He's a solid 3rd liner even though he's got huge warts even at that level but it's something that can be protected. I don't know if I'd want to pay 3-4 mil for that though. I think of Setoguchi when I think of Labanc's inconsistencies. Obviously different types of players but they're both high-potential but nothing defensively and a penchant for stupid decisions with the puck.

That is where I am at with Labanc as well and do not want him re-signed at that amount.

Also, I am not worried about the bottom-6. Maybe we get Jumbo and Patty back at league minimum but honestly, I think it is time to just move away and the let the kids figure it out. I did a capfriendly estimate where I had Simek back at 1.75M and think that may be too much for what he should get. 1.5M for 1 year or 2.5M for 2 is what I would want to give him. I think Dillon is a goner though. He should still get upwards for 3M AAV.

There should be enough money to fill atleast one of the top-6 spots, if not both. We could theoretically break the bank with Kreieder or Hall but honestly, need to aim a little smaller.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That is where I am at with Labanc as well and do not want him re-signed at that amount.

Also, I am not worried about the bottom-6. Maybe we get Jumbo and Patty back at league minimum but honestly, I think it is time to just move away and the let the kids figure it out. I did a capfriendly estimate where I had Simek back at 1.75M and think that may be too much for what he should get. 1.5M for 1 year or 2.5M for 2 is what I would want to give him. I think Dillon is a goner though. He should still get upwards for 3M AAV.

There should be enough money to fill atleast one of the top-6 spots, if not both. We could theoretically break the bank with Kreieder or Hall but honestly, need to aim a little smaller.

I'm alright with Marleau and Thornton returning so long as they trade Sorensen. You still want some veteran presence on the depth lines as long as they're not negative in play which I think both would be if we're actually able to limit them to just 3rd and 4th line level ice time. Like having a bottom six with like say Gregor-Thornton-Goodrow and Marleau-Suomela/Kellman-Noesen would work if Hertl and Couture both have two solid overall wingers in the top six.

But yeah, I doubt we get involved much with Kreider or Hall. We're going to need to snag solid 2nd liners that we can put in there and if need be move Meier or Kane around to help fill the void.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I'm alright with Marleau and Thornton returning so long as they trade Sorensen. You still want some veteran presence on the depth lines as long as they're not negative in play which I think both would be if we're actually able to limit them to just 3rd and 4th line level ice time. Like having a bottom six with like say Gregor-Thornton-Goodrow and Marleau-Suomela/Kellman-Noesen would work if Hertl and Couture both have two solid overall wingers in the top six.

But yeah, I doubt we get involved much with Kreider or Hall. We're going to need to snag solid 2nd liners that we can put in there and if need be move Meier or Kane around to help fill the void.

The more I look at it, the better I feel about next season. I know there are a lot of if's but if we:

- Sell Labanc, Dillon and Melker at the TDL. Can sell Labanc in the off-season too.
- Sell Sorensen in the off-season
- Re-sign our RFA's
- Re-sign Simek and Noesen who are UFA's
- Sign a 2nd line and tweener winger in UFA
- Add a better goalie.

we will be all set ...

I know thats a long list, LOL, but I feel most of it is doable except the last 2 and would fit in the cap. I can totally see us get 1 2nd line winger, just not sure if we can get 2. The goalie is also a question mark.

 

[OrrNumber4]

The more I look at it, the better I feel about next season. I know there are a lot of if's but if we:

- Sell Labanc, Dillon and Melker at the TDL. Can sell Labanc in the off-season too.
- Sell Sorensen in the off-season
- Re-sign our RFA's
- Re-sign Simek and Noesen who are UFA's
- Sign a 2nd line and tweener winger in UFA
- Add a better goalie.

we will be all set ...

I know thats a long list, LOL, but I feel most of it is doable except the last 2 and would fit in the cap. I can totally see us get 1 2nd line winger, just not sure if we can get 2. The goalie is also a question mark.

Those don't do much to stall the decline of players like Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic, etc.

 

[hohosaregood]

Those don't do much to stall the decline of players like Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic, etc.

Yea well tough titties, we're stuck with them anyways. Buying them out is pretty much all you can do with them.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

The more I look at it, the better I feel about next season. I know there are a lot of if's but if we:

- Sell Labanc, Dillon and Melker at the TDL. Can sell Labanc in the off-season too.
- Sell Sorensen in the off-season
- Re-sign our RFA's
- Re-sign Simek and Noesen who are UFA's
- Sign a 2nd line and tweener winger in UFA
- Add a better goalie.

we will be all set ...

I know thats a long list, LOL, but I feel most of it is doable except the last 2 and would fit in the cap. I can totally see us get 1 2nd line winger, just not sure if we can get 2. The goalie is also a question mark.

I'd keep Lebanc (resign) and Sorensen as we need forwards due to lack of depth there now.

I hope Dillion/Dillion+ can get us a 1st round pick!

 

[Barrie22]

I'd keep Lebanc (resign) and Sorensen as we need forwards due to lack of depth there now.

I hope Dillion/Dillion+ can get us a 1st round pick!

Yes but keeping garbage and hoping it turns into gold just because you need warm bodies is how you end up in the situation the sharks are right now.

Keeping labanc might be a good idea if the goal long term is to keep him in the bottom 6 to be a power play specialist at minimum cost. But if he wants term at more then 3 mil a year then its best just to trade him now and get something for him.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Yes but keeping garbage and hoping it turns into gold just because you need warm bodies is how you end up in the situation the sharks are right now.

Keeping labanc might be a good idea if the goal long term is to keep him in the bottom 6 to be a power play specialist at minimum cost. But if he wants term at more then 3 mil a year then its best just to trade him now and get something for him.

Yeah I would hope Labanc brings in a first round pick + at the trade deadline. I would just refer other GMs to that 5 min major against Vegas. He was pretty clutch even if the rest of his playoffs wasn't that great. He is only 24 though so be sure to trade him to the other conference. At 24 he's still a baby who's finding his way. He could easily take the next step in his development and become a consistent 60 point player. His tiny salary makes him a fit with pretty much every contender in the league. Sorenson should be gone in the offseason or as a throw in on another trade. If they can dump him at the TDL even better. The games after the TDL should be full of AHL players getting a taste of the NHL.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I'd keep Lebanc (resign) and Sorensen as we need forwards due to lack of depth there now.

I hope Dillion/Dillion+ can get us a 1st round pick!

Labanc is going to cost too much for a 3rd line player who is good on the PP. We need cheaper and faster players in the bottom-6 who are better defensively and possibly play physical. I would rather use that 3-4 M that Labanc would cost and put it towards a proven player in the top-6. What we need is better defensive players who are good for 40-50 points in the top-6.

 

[Saskatoon]

I don't think they are a contender for the cup but with league average goaltending they are probably fighting for a playoff spot instead of being a cellar dweller

 

[themelkman]

My vote is stay with Labanc. I think if we can get him on a decent contract we should. There is very few good wingers in this UFA class, and losing his 50 so points would be very hard to replace through UFA or the org. even if his defense is atrocious I still think we’re going to need a guy who can get more points