Player Discussion: Martin Jones

[Sharksfan83]

Global Warming has caused Jones to suck.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

so jones is working with Nabby and the goalie consultant. Its the same guy that worked with Dell early season and helped him, right?

 

[one2gamble]

so jones is working with Nabby and the goalie consultant. Its the same guy that worked with Dell early season and helped him, right?

Jones could work with God himself and it wouldn't matter

 

[OffSydes]

Best part about all of this, Jones is the new team whipping boy.

And the criticism blows right past him

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Jones could work with God himself and it wouldn't matter

yeah, Dell got help and he is playingmuch better. Jones
gets help and its not helped his game much. Not good, that shows how far away he is, not good!

 

[OrrNumber4]

And the criticism blows right past him

Well, of course, he's Martin Jones. Everything blows right past him. Give him the Deron Quint treatment.

 

[Bleedred]

With how bad Jones has been for almost 2 years now, it would seem like he's almost assuredly injured of some kind. Because NHL goalies don't get this bad this quick in their late 20's, without suffering something physical.

Unless they're just temporary in the league and not actual NHL goalies, but Jones was an NHL goalie for almost 5 years. Not a great one, but an average one.

But at the same time, Jones seems to be one of the dumbest goalies around. His IQ is really lacking a lot of times. There's a lot of goals scored on him that don't look stoppable, where it looks like he has no chance on it, but he really does due to poor reads and moving the wrong way and playing the shot/shots very poorly.

He can make very stoppable and routine shots and saves look like he has no chance in hell on them from not being in the right place at the right time.

 

[stator]

Worth the 1st round pick?

Tough one, but for me it's still yes, apprehensively. Sharks wouldn't have made a SCF appearance without him, but since then, he hasn't been worth it.

Perhaps one of the reasons it's tough to say yes is Doug Wilson. He has a bad habit of giving up 1st round picks like the one that in this week's Power Rankings on ESPN's website. And, the some of the poor choices in the 1st round when he does have it.

Jones reminds me that Wilson needs to go. His strategy of leveraging the future for the current has played out here in San Jose - without a cup. Time for a new one.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

The situation with Jones reminds me of when a football team benches a 1st round QB who's suppose to have been"The guy". Rarely do they ever come back from that and regain that "the guy" label.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

The situation with Jones reminds me of when a football team benches a 1st round QB who's suppose to have been"The guy". Rarely do they ever come back from that and regain that "the guy" label.

Yeppers. I'm very interested to see where he and his game is say a year from now.

I'm more than curious to see if he understands his game needs work, and is interested in
making corrections/adjustments. He's had some starts this year post "goalie consultant"
and has not looked improved while Dell has.

 

[Kegsey]

Send him to the AHL.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Send him to the AHL.

He may need a conditioning stint! And a message to get his game together.

 

[Kegsey]

He may need a conditioning stint! And a message to get his game together.

Having him around has to be horrible for morale. Hasn’t Dell been a top 5 goalie in the last month or am I crazy?

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Having him around has to be horrible for morale. Hasn’t Dell been a top 5 goalie in the last month or am I crazy?

Not sure i agree on morale, i'm sure his team mates like him. They know that Dell has be their best player the last month or so.

 

[exchequer]

Worth the 1st round pick?

Tough one, but for me it's still yes, apprehensively. Sharks wouldn't have made a SCF appearance without him, but since then, he hasn't been worth it.

Perhaps one of the reasons it's tough to say yes is Doug Wilson. He has a bad habit of giving up 1st round picks like the one that in this week's Power Rankings on ESPN's website. And, the some of the poor choices in the 1st round when he does have it.

Jones reminds me that Wilson needs to go. His strategy of leveraging the future for the current has played out here in San Jose - without a cup. Time for a new one.

He gave up a 1st and what turned into Sean Kuraly for Jones. Even if Sean Kuraly was traded straight up for Jones now, it wouldn't be fair.

 

[tiburon12]

He gave up a 1st and what turned into Sean Kuraly for Jones. Even if Sean Kuraly was traded straight up for Jones now, it wouldn't be fair.

IDK what you mean by this. Kuraly was a prospect in the NCAA playing well below a PPG. for reference, 55 players in the NCAA were a PPG that year, so Kuraly wasn't some hotshot prospect. You're right that now that trade wouldnt be fair because Jones is so bad and Kuraly is a solid 3/4 liner, but that was not even close to the case in 2015. That 1st they gave up also turned out to be a nobody, and there are only 3 or 4 good players drafted in the 2nd round 2016 that you could say the Sharks missed on by trading that pick, but it's a crapshoot to assume the Sharks had those players identified.

Having said all of that, Carter Hart was in that 2nd round....

 

[OrrNumber4]

We are rehashing the oldest of histories, but even at the time it was a crazy deal. DW gave up an unprotected first from a bottom-ten team for an undrafted 25-year-old goaltender with a solid but unspectacular record.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

He gave up a 1st and what turned into Sean Kuraly for Jones. Even if Sean Kuraly was traded straight up for Jones now, it wouldn't be fair.

Yeah. But that is not saying much really. If DW was to trade for Jones now, he would not even do it for a bag of Fritos.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We are rehashing the oldest of histories, but even at the time it was a crazy deal. DW gave up an unprotected first from a bottom-ten team for an undrafted 25-year-old goaltender with a solid but unspectacular record.

Except not really. I was opposed to the deal for reasons that have to do with how I approach goaltenders as assets but the idea that Martin Jones at the time of the trade was just an undrafted 25 year old goalie with a solid record is a flat out misrepresentation that you won't follow up on when challenged. Dude had a .923 save percentage as a backup in LA and was pretty widely regarded as a starter waiting to happen by plenty around the league while having a pretty spectacular AHL career over four seasons.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

We are rehashing the oldest of histories, but even at the time it was a crazy deal. DW gave up an unprotected first from a bottom-ten team for an undrafted 25-year-old goaltender with a solid but unspectacular record.

Well, he got us to the finals and he was pretty good for a period of time in teal. It's hard
to go back and look at trades as it becomes to easy to measure player performance based on
negative results. At the time it looked like a good hockey deal as we got an up and
coming goalie and gave up a 1st and a lower level prospect. Now we'd all like that
1st round pick back and he's likely not worth it today *and* he's the team whipping boy
that's not playing much so we can't beat him up so much.

 

[Wedontneedroads]

The Sharks have been one of the worst teams in the league at drafting and developing goalies since DW took over in 2003.

DW inherited Nabby, traded for Niemi, and traded for Jones. Except for Jones in 2016, goaltending has been an Achilles heel for the Sharks.

The only two goalies of note that DW has drafted are Greiss (44 gp w/ Sharks) and Stalock (62 gp w/ Sharks). Both played the majority of their NHL games with other teams, and were only used as backups in San Jose.

Jones is clearly a symptom of a much deeper issue this team has. This is an example of some a foundational challenge that DW has not been able to sort out in 16 years. Does anyone see this improving over the next few years?

I hope to be wrong, but I don't know how these goalie issues get solved in short order.

In all fairness, I have only looked at the Sharks, and have no clue if this is a league issue. Has any other team gone this long without a homegrown goalie earning their spot in the crease?

Looking back at the past 20 years of SC winners they all appear to be home grown, or generational goalies like Hasek and Roy.

 

[stator]

I tend to agree with that last part. However, sifting through goalies to find a good one seems to be normal. Lots of teams go through promising goalies with little to show.

Stalock would have been hammered last night by a team with experienced forwards. He played awful, was out of position a lot, but got lucky too much against this reduced-threat Sharks.

Greiss is actually a better success story after leaving the Sharks. Some here trashed him constantly, and was happy to see him leave.

DW cannot draft worth shit. He's lucky on the Pavelski draft that people tend to solely look at thinking he's great.

Time for DW's tenure to end here in San Jose.

 

[Alaskanice]

Chicken or the egg.

Since the Sharks don’t get to draft high end players, DW trades for them.
Drafting is a crap shoot. That’s my opinion.
Anyone can plead their case, focusing on the bad or the good. In reality, both bad and good are right. DW has made incredible trades and the team hasn’t drafted a worthwhile goalie. By the way, blaming DW for the draft is off base. He doesn’t decide. Never has.

 

[Paka Ono]

Roy was traded and it really only happened because the Nordiques became the Avalanche. No way in hell, Roy goes to the Nordiques had they stayed in Quebec.

Other than that, agree 100%. DW needs to buyout MJ this summer.

 

[Nighthock]

Shutout?!?