Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Why Is All The Good Sticks Are Always Gone?

[Andy99]

At some point we need players that will make Sid and Malkin secondary, in the way that Couture and Pavelski did with Thornton and Marleau. Yes SJS didn't win a Cup, but that's the model.

We have kinda 1 of those, if you squint, in Jake.

I know it's easier said than done. But that's why like if Fil Forsberg is out there or we could coax my man-crush Barzal out of NYI we should move heaven and earth to do it.

been saying this for awhile ...it’s our biggest need and hard to get...Forsberg isn’t it imo because he’s not good enough, but we need a play driver: Pasta, Marner, Patty Kane lol...that’s what we need...don’t see any of these players available lol...gotta draft high, like real high...

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

The Pettersson eye test these last few games hasn't been looking too great. How's his advanced stats? @Tom Hanks

It’s a shame bc he was so damn good in the first few games. I was hoping he had maybe begun to turn a corner in his development.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

been saying this for awhile ...it’s our biggest need and hard to get...Forsberg isn’t it imo because he’s not good enough, but we need a play driver: Pasta, Marner, Patty Kane lol...that’s what we need...don’t see any of these players available lol...gotta draft high, like real high...

Forsberg I feel like would be pretty effective if he’s not relied on to be a number 1 F with minimal help.

The rest of the those guys. Given that you’d have to draft that caliber of player: we don’t pick until 2022, so I’d say a minimum of 2 seasons after this one until said superstar forward arrives. So 2023-24. And that’s assuming we draft high. Just not realistic in this current window.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Forsberg I feel like would be pretty effective if he’s not relied on to be a number 1 F with minimal help.

The rest of the those guys. Given that you’d have to draft that caliber of player: we don’t pick until 2022, so I’d say a minimum of 2 seasons after this one until said superstar forward arrives. So 2023-24. And that’s assuming we draft high. Just not realistic in this current window.

It would have been easier to make salaries match if we could move Zucker.

But now it'd be like POJ, Poulin + either Dumo or Petts I think.

 

[Andy99]

Forsberg I feel like would be pretty effective if he’s not relied on to be a number 1 F with minimal help.

The rest of the those guys. Given that you’d have to draft that caliber of player: we don’t pick until 2022, so I’d say a minimum of 2 seasons after this one until said superstar forward arrives. So 2023-24. And that’s assuming we draft high. Just not realistic in this current window.

Yeah, but I don’t think he’s a true difference maker from what I’ve seen of him...he’s another complimentary winger who better at scoring than Zucker...for what he’ll cost to obtain, don’t see the big boost, plus he’s already 27 and signed for awhile...we need to go younger if we’re spending another first or good prospect

 

[EightyOne]

I remember it is written in the old sutras of how Hextall went off wandering the Ganges Plain, searching for enlightenment and players to play on the 4th line.

ZAR-Crosby-Malkin

Best 4th line in the league

Give me $4.5mil

 

[BHD]

I'd put a claim in for Noesen.

 

[Pens x]

I'd put a claim in for Noesen.

I forgot he played here for a handful of games, but he seems like he’s just another fringe player.

But would he be any worse than the crap players we have now? Nope

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'd put a claim in for Noesen.

Could be worth trying on Geno's line. The third line with Lafferty didn't seem as effective. And I only noticed the bad that ZAR did with Geno and Rust. Yeah, yeah, it's just one game.

 

[SEALBound]

I'd put a claim in for Noesen.

5 games, no points. Only lasted 6 games with us with 1 point. Tough sell.

 

[Pens x]

Could be worth trying on Geno's line. The third line with Lafferty didn't seem as effective. And I only noticed the bad that ZAR did with Geno and Rust. Yeah, yeah, it's just one game.

You probably won’t find a solution to Zucker’s spot on the waiver wire. Claim some guys for the fourth line, but what are the chances you can find a suitable top 6 player?

I don’t want a repeat of 2012-2014 when Shero tried a bunch of garbage players in our top 6 like Pyatt and Zack “he’s just snake bitten” Boychuk.

 

[BHD]

He potted a handful of goals last season and scored 13 goals a couple years ago. He can't be worse than the likes of Lafferty and O'Connnor.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

You probably won’t find a solution to Zucker’s spot on the waiver wire. Claim some guys for the fourth line, but what are the chances you can find a suitable top 6 player?

I don’t want a repeat of 2012-2014 when Shero tried a bunch of garbage players in our top 6 like Pyatt and Zack “he’s just snake bitten” Boychuk.

I agree but he's a free asset and is known to score goals.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I agree but he's a free asset and is known to score goals.

He has 31 goals in 204 games at the NHL level.

If he's "known to score goals", it must be somewhere else.

 

[T1K]

been saying this for awhile ...it’s our biggest need and hard to get...Forsberg isn’t it imo because he’s not good enough, but we need a play driver: Pasta, Marner, Patty Kane lol...that’s what we need...don’t see any of these players available lol...gotta draft high, like real high...

Forsberg is the same caliber of player as Jake is. Not a play driver, but would be very good with a play driving C, which Sid and Geno both still are. Forsberg is one of the only realistic options where I’d be ok with including Poulin in the deal.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

He has 31 goals in 204 games at the NHL level.

If he's "known to score goals", it must be somewhere else.

Yes, the AHL.

And when he very, very likely doesn't work with Geno you still have a depth forward that's better than what the 4th line is showing.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Noesen doesn't fix anything.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Noesen doesn't fix anything.

You don't fix anything.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Top or bottom six and my A picks are in bold.

Forsberg
Arvidson
Granlund
Jenner
Laine
Rakell
Silverberg
Kessel
Saad
Burakovsky
Donskoi
Kadri
Brown
Iafallo
Johansson
Bonino
Rask
Foligno
Hertl
Schwartz
Hoffman
Tuch
Smith
Janmark
Soderberg
Foligno - CBJ
Pavelski
Rudulov
Hall
Reinhart
Staal E.
Palimeri
Gusev
Wood

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

You don't fix anything.

THAT is true.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Yes, the AHL.

And when he very, very likely doesn't work with Geno you still have a depth forward that's better than what the 4th line is showing.

One season where he scored 14 in 22 games. His previous high was 10 in 65.

He's not the scorer you think he is.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Could be worth trying on Geno's line. The third line with Lafferty didn't seem as effective. And I only noticed the bad that ZAR did with Geno and Rust. Yeah, yeah, it's just one game.

I think it will only be one game or at least I hope. Hopefully Sullivan has this next game.

Guentzel-Crosby-Kapanen
McCann-Malkin-Rust
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev
Whatever from those others on the 4th

I think those 3 lines can play amd get it down without missing Zucker at all.

 

[Gurglesons]

Top or bottom six and my A picks are in bold.

Forsberg
Arvidson
Granlund
Jenner
Laine
Rakell
Silverberg
Kessel
Saad
Burakovsky
Donskoi
Kadri
Brown
Iafallo
Johansson
Bonino
Rask
Foligno
Hertl
Schwartz
Hoffman
Tuch
Smith
Janmark
Soderberg
Foligno - CBJ
Pavelski
Rudulov
Hall
Reinhart
Staal E.
Palimeri
Gusev
Wood

So many players here aren’t realistic.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

This board’s Saad dream will never die until the guy retires


( I am one of those people— maybe we could sign him in UFA?? )

 

[SEALBound]

He potted a handful of goals last season and scored 13 goals a couple years ago. He can't be worse than the likes of Lafferty and O'Connnor.

Maybe. I certainly don't think he moves the needle much. Maybe from the aspect of "new" which is sometimes valuable but I don't think he provides an ability or skillset that we are missing. One aspect of a guy like him that I always struggle with is - SJ sucks...and they are waiving him. What's that say? Now, to be fair, there's plenty of reasons and factors that go into it but for a team struggling like SJ, I would assume they would be all over impact players, regardless of 1st or 4th line abilities. So if they are tossing him, would he be of impact here?

I agree but he's a free asset and is known to score goals.

Yes but in a year where we are also focused on real dollars, I don't think so unless they have a real plan to move forwards and he is a replacement player. I do believe Friedman is a replacement for someone. Just don't know who yet.