Confirmed with Link: [PHI/WPG] Kevin Hayes UFA rights for a 2019 5th, pt II

[Tripod]

No you're right. Bonuses only effect the real dollars a player makes on a yearly basis, which can still effect trade value. Especially in back half of contracts if they are frontloaded. Cap hit is just total salary divided by total years.

Yeah the reason to front load it is to give the player more money earlier, which he and his accountant will want. And it gives the team more flexability to trade that guy long term to a team where cap hit doesn't matter, but real money does.

Call it the ANTI AMac.

 

[pit]

Call it the ANTI AMac.

So, uh, good?

 

[Jtown]

Guys, don't worry.

Our GM graduated from Harvard. He's got to be super smart. Right?

And I'm sure Dave Scott graduated from a prestigious university, too.

Just let me look it up. Here it is ...

Cleveland State?????

Jeez, we're F'd!

Lol. Legendary post

 

[TheKingPin]

This says ek had groin surgery today

Defenseman Erik Karlsson Undergoes Successful Groin Surgery

Just lost 2 mill a year. That sucks. Yea let’s stay away. Next years first plus ratcliffe for Trouba. Offseason done.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

why are we trading ghost before hes had a chance to play under a actual NHL level HC .???

 

[Striiker]

I don’t care about the fans on the Internet. I care about the guy at the top who will get more & more desperate to do something at all costs as we move down the list of targets.

At least Hayes is a good player, fills a need, & will only cost cap space (realistically somewhere in the 6x6 range). I can at least live with that & it may calm that jackass down some.

Yup, that’s exactly the scary thing.

Tons of fans come up with garbage ideas... always have and always will. But obviously they have no power, so it doesn’t matter.

Our particular slice of Hell is having people in a position of power who have the same stupid mindset as the worst fans.

 

[deadhead]

I was under the impression that a player's cap hit for the life of the contract was the total amount of money owed in the contract (salary & upfront bonuses combined) divided by the number of years of the contract. Unless I'm miss understood, how would upfront bonuses reduce a cap hit? Apologies if my understanding of the way AAV is calculated is incorrect.

Players don't care about cap hit, GMs do.

Players (their agents) do care about getting money now v five years from now, front loaded money is worth more to the player (he can invest it and earn 8-10% a year on average in the stock market), so a player will take less total money (lower AVV) if it's front loaded.

 

[SnS]

So we’re back to it being a giant failure if he’s not signed?

There’s other factors involved.

Who’s to say he even wants to play in Philly?

 

[Adtar02]

why are we trading ghost before hes had a chance to play under a actual NHL level HC .???

This may be the question yet

 

[TheKingPin]

So we’re back to it being a giant failure if he’s not signed?

There’s other factors involved.

Who’s to say he even wants to play in Philly?

I would think he’s been invited to come see the area and facilities and meet with staff. He may have just done that, like today, or will do it soon. Then he gets the offer and accepts or denies or replies. I wouldn’t have expected anything at all until Thursday at the very earliest.

 

[baudib1]

I would expect -- and hope -- that Hayes tests the market. If he snap-signs with the Flyers it means Fletcher gave him too much.

Still hoping for Karlsson or Spurgeon + Zucker.

 

[Jtown]

Just lost 2 mill a year. That sucks. Yea let’s stay away. Next years first plus ratcliffe for Trouba. Offseason done.

Trade for trouba only to lose him in the expansion draft 12 months away? Seems like a chiarelli like move.

 

[TheKingPin]

Trade for trouba only to lose him in the expansion draft 12 months away? Seems like a chiarelli like move.

I think we lose one of the kids or pay some picks up. Sucks but is what it is.

 

[flyerslducks]

You guys are killing me...

I’m reading that we should trade Ghost for forward help, then trade picks and prospects to replace the hole that leaves in the defense (which won’t happen anyway because available Ghost replacements don’t exist)...

SO WOULDNT IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO SKIP THE STUPID MIDDLE STEP WHERE WE LOSE SOMEONE WE CANT REPLACE AND JUST TRADE THE PICKS AND PROSPECTS FOR FORWARD HELP?!?!?!?!

I swear these terrible ideas all start with the incorrect idea Ghost has to go and THEN they consider the return and our needs. It’s so backwards...

lol calm down. i literally said we shouldn't do it cus we don't have another ghost and he is more beneficial to us...

 

[flyerslducks]

has anyone read anything about provorov, tk's, and sanheims contract yet?

 

[TheKingPin]

has anyone read anything about provorov, tk's, and sanheims contract yet?

Fletcher said he noticed or the players noticed that there will be a shift in the way RFAs are handled and the contracts they will go after this summer and that they will all wait until after the offersheet period begins to not lose out on what will likely be an increase in salaries.

 

[Stizzle]

has anyone read anything about provorov, tk's, and sanheims contract yet?

The bigger RFA's on all teams seem hesitant to sign right now. Some think no one wants to sign first and set the market for the league. Signing RFA's on expiring rookie deals is becoming more difficult and pricey.

 

[GKJ]

So we’re back to it being a giant failure if he’s not signed?

There’s other factors involved.

Who’s to say he even wants to play in Philly?

Not wanting to play here would spur on a whole new topic.

 

[The Madrigal]

Not wanting to play here would spur on a whole new topic.

This

 

[flyersfan187]

I'd still take EK in a heartbeat here. If he got injured like Pronger couldn't he just retire or go on LTIR anyway to open up cap space? I don't know too much about the LTIR and cap space so maybe I'm wrong.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

The bigger RFA's on all teams seem hesitant to sign right now. Some think no one wants to sign first and set the market for the league. Signing RFA's on expiring rookie deals is becoming more difficult and pricey.

this and the gm saying, everyone except giroux, can be traded may be a reason as well.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think we traded for McDonald's rights. Didn't we trade for him and then extended him after a playoff run?

The better comparison is Streit, whose UFA rights cost the Flyers a 4th. And he was good here for 3 of the 4 years on his contract.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

 

[Curufinwe]

has anyone read anything about provorov, tk's, and sanheims contract yet?

Expect slow progress because agents don't want to have their guys sign first, and then watch as other RFAs get better deals.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The better comparison is Streit, whose UFA rights cost the Flyers a 4th. And he was good here for 3 of the 4 years on his contract.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

Just looking back on it the Islanders got Devon Toews out of that. Pretty good for them.

 

[SnS]

This

Not wanting to play here would spur on a whole new topic.

Let’s just force everyone to want to play for the Philadelphia Flyers!