Confirmed with Link: [PHI/WPG] Kevin Hayes UFA rights for a 2019 5th, pt II

[hatcher]

Im not against trading players if it makes the team better. But trading very good players who had a down year for good players who had a great year isnt my idea of making the team better.

Sometimes just alittle different player kick starts a team. I know you dont like my thoughts but IMO we need alittle change and if it means ghost or Patrick or even an older core player like V and we get good players back we'll be good to go.

 

[Starat327]

Sometimes just alittle different player kick starts a team. I know you dont like my thoughts but IMO we need alittle change and if it means ghost or Patrick or even an older core player like V and we get good players back we'll be good to go.

Like i said, im ok with moving just about anyone provided it makes the team better. There hasnt been a single realistic trade proposal created on this board where the Flyers move Ghost and the team becomes clearly better.

 

[deadhead]

Why are against trading som$e of our players for others? We could use a different look but also lets not go crazy and deal everyone away.

I don't think most people are against trades, just these one sided trade proposals that make no sense.
Why would you want to give serious assets to overpay Trouba or Spurgeon? Extensions don't matter if they're not at a discount, otherwise they're just one year rentals.
Why would you trade a 20 year old center with unlimited upside for a good but not special forward?
And so on.

I have no problem trading Ghost in a deal for Pesce, who's better than Trouba and has four years left on his deal. That makes sense, improve the quality of the defense and balance it out L/R. But one year of Trouba, who's is good but nothing special, pass.
I'd trade decent but not top assets to rent Spurgeon for a season and buy time for Myers.
I'd trade #41 and next year's 1st rd pick in a heartbeat for the right player.
I'd trade Morin and/or Hagg for a RHD.
I'd trade 2nd, 3rd picks and 2nd tier prospects for veteran patches at forward or RHD.

There are lots of moves that can improve this team next year that won't block prospects permanently or cost major assets - good teams make these deals all the time, look at St Louis and Boston, for example.

 

[hatcher]

Like i said, im ok with moving just about anyone provided it makes the team better. There hasnt been a single realistic trade proposal created on this board where the Flyers move Ghost and the team becomes clearly better.

We aren't the gm's in the end though and let's see what Fletcher does before we think we lost out on a trade before it happens. Flyers can't sit around a waste G any longer IMO. AV and the coaching staff is gonna put the heat on the main players to rise and I think they will but G need some older players around him to get it going.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Are you coming up to thr okanagan this summer? If you do lets get a round of golf in.

I'm definitely going to be in BC early-mid September. When I figure out exactly where, I'll let you know.

One day, i hope to know what that feels like. Im going on my 6th year or so like that now with this company. I keep telling myself it'll pay for itself in the end (i did get a promo recently, and i thought it was to make up for the work i had been doing. turns out, it was just so they could dump my boss' work on me and then move him to a different department - meanwhile i didnt get his title. I digress). My time in LA running our location there was pretty much minimum 90 hour weeks. 7/24/365 operation with client calls at 3 am if trains broke down. Not fun.

I ran screaming from the casinos in large part because it was 24/7. It just never ends. You have my sympathy.

 

[hatcher]

I don't think most people are against trades, just these one sided trade proposals that make no sense.
Why would you want to give serious assets to overpay Trouba or Spurgeon? Extensions don't matter if they're not at a discount, otherwise they're just one year rentals.
Why would you trade a 20 year old center with unlimited upside for a good but not special forward?
And so on.

I have no problem trading Ghost in a deal for Pesce, who's better than Trouba and has four years left on his deal. That makes sense, improve the quality of the defense and balance it out L/R. But one year of Trouba, who's is good but nothing special, pass.
I'd trade decent but not top assets to rent Spurgeon for a season and buy time for Myers.
I'd trade #41 and next year's 1st rd pick in a heartbeat for the right player.
I'd trade Morin and/or Hagg for a RHD.
I'd trade 2nd, 3rd picks and 2nd tier prospects for veteran patches at forward or RHD.

There are lots of moves that can improve this team next year that won't block prospects permanently or cost major assets - good teams make these deals all the time, look at St Louis and Boston, for example.

I get it but let's see what happens. Ownership can't keep this team the same.

 

[Starat327]

We aren't the gm's in the end though and let's see what Fletcher does before we think we lost out on a trade before it happens. Flyers can't sit around a waste G any longer IMO. AV and the coaching staff is gonna put the heat on the main players to rise and I think they will but G need some older players around him to get it going.

If you are still under the assumption that G is who is going to take us to the Cup, it's not me that needs to get on board.

 

[hatcher]

If you are still under the assumption that G is who is going to take us to the Cup, it's not me that needs to get on board.

G is a good player man but sometimes players get stale when not winning and V has said it's time for change but if Fletcher can add a kick ass all around dman and Hayes plus two more gritty forwards who can play and push others down we might have a chance.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think most people are against trades, just these one sided trade proposals that make no sense.
Why would you want to give serious assets to overpay Trouba or Spurgeon? Extensions don't matter if they're not at a discount, otherwise they're just one year rentals.
Why would you trade a 20 year old center with unlimited upside for a good but not special forward?
And so on.

I have no problem trading Ghost in a deal for Pesce, who's better than Trouba and has four years left on his deal. That makes sense, improve the quality of the defense and balance it out L/R. But one year of Trouba, who's is good but nothing special, pass.
I'd trade decent but not top assets to rent Spurgeon for a season and buy time for Myers.
I'd trade #41 and next year's 1st rd pick in a heartbeat for the right player.
I'd trade Morin and/or Hagg for a RHD.
I'd trade 2nd, 3rd picks and 2nd tier prospects for veteran patches at forward or RHD.

There are lots of moves that can improve this team next year that won't block prospects permanently or cost major assets - good teams make these deals all the time, look at St Louis and Boston, for example.

It's not even a year of Trouba. It's 3 offseason weeks.

 

[tictactoe]

Did we sign him yet?

 

[Starat327]

G is a good player man but sometimes players get stale when not winning and V has said it's time for change but if Fletcher can add a kick ass all around dman and Hayes plus two more gritty forwards who can play and push others down we might have a chance.

G is a great player, one of the best to ever put on the sweater. But if we win, its going to be because of the newer kids coming through, with G playing more of a 'Hossa' role. I'm not making moves because G is getting old and we feel the pressure to win now. I'd love to see him lift the cup, but im not sacrificing the future and making bad trades to make the window open now only to have it slam shut in 2 years.

This is how we got ourselves in to the mess Hextall just spent 5 years getting us out of.

 

[Striiker]

Guilty conscience?

I’m just waiting for the next roid-rage episode.

That’s what gave us the nice vacation.

 

[Adtar02]

I get it but let's see what happens. Ownership can't keep this team the same.

It’s not the same. No more crappy players being over used. And a new stafff very different team.

Look who we had in the bottom six last year.(and sometimes in the top six). Compared to what looks like we could have this year.

Just defense.
Provy ghost
Sanhiem gudas
Morin Myers
Hagg

Would be way better than

Provy ghost/hagg
Macdonald hagg/ghost
Sanhiem @ 14mins gudas
Frolin where amac hagg and frolin all saw more mins per game than sanhiem

That’s a different look and make up especially with a better staff coaching them.

 

[The Madrigal]

I don't care at all about losing a 5th round pick. However, if the Flyers don't end up signing Hayes it's going to be a huge problem. It wasn't that long ago where the Flyers were one of the top handful of destinations around the league. Forsberg, Briere, Timonen, Pronger (signed long term after being traded for) etc. If they can't even get Kevin Hayes to commit to them after trading for his rights and having weeks to woo him and work on a deal that is alarming.

It would also tell me that they are going about things half cocked. I was assuming that along with the AV connection that they had back channel conversations with Hayes's agent and knew that there was an interest level in signing with the Flyers and possibly even had an idea of what type of deal they were looking for. If Hayes doesn't end up signing it's a pretty good sign that they just blindly traded for his rights and hoped they could get him.

I like Hayes and think he would make the team better. There will probably be some other options there that are as good as him (give or take) that they would be able to get if he doesn't sign. That said, it would be alarming to me if a guy like Hayes doesn't want to sign with the Flyers, and that Fletcher is just flying by the seat of his pants without a concrete plan. Friedman is kind of a hack these days, but consider me a little concerned at this point.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I mean you could at least make it an educated guess & conclude the strong possibility that Subban wouldn’t be in play here with Therrien.

Nelson’s 6x6 deal is likely a baseline for Hayes. So if someone was offering that Hayes would sign right now.

 

[GKJ]

Twitter accounts with 14 followers don't fly around here as sources

 

[Starat327]

I’m just waiting for the next roid-rage episode.

That’s what gave us the nice vacation.

I like vacation.

 

[The Madrigal]

Watch Hayes sign elsewhere and the Flyers sign Derick Brassard....ugghh.

 

[GKJ]

31 thoughts podcast was talking about as low as 5x5 but that was prior to the trade. That didn't seem realistic.

 

[The Madrigal]

31 thoughts podcast was talking about as low as 5x5 but that was prior to the trade. That didn't seem realistic.

If you're Kevin Hayes and you see a lesser player at the same position (Brock Nelson) get 6/36, I can't imagine him and his agent are looking to get a better deal than that.

 

[Appleyard]

31 thoughts podcast was talking about as low as 5x5 but that was prior to the trade. That didn't seem realistic.

Not at all.

If he signs anywhere for below $5.75m no matter what the term he needs a new agent. And if a team signs him for more than $6.5m then they over-paid. That is the market.

Paul Stastny got 8.18% of the cap on just a 3 year deal, age 32, with a modified NTC.

His worst ever season would arguably be Hayes 2nd best. That deal should be the ceiling on Hayes going of the other deals over the last couple of year.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

There's simply no way to know where Hayes prefers to go. I assume the Flyers will match the best offer he gets. But maybe, for example, he likes to ski, smoke pot, and/or thinks Colorado gives him the best chance to win? In that case, he's going to Denver as long as they give him a big offer. There are so many personal factors at play it's impossible to predict.

 

[FlyerNutter]

This is why I don’t like trading picks for free agent rights.

What the hell is the point? You are telling the player you basically now have to bend over to his demands because you gave up assets to begin with.

I’m sure Andrew MacDonald gave them a break when they dealt for him early.

Chasing to overpay mediocrity. Woo

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

One day, i hope to know what that feels like. Im going on my 6th year or so like that now with this company. I keep telling myself it'll pay for itself in the end (i did get a promo recently, and i thought it was to make up for the work i had been doing. turns out, it was just so they could dump my boss' work on me and then move him to a different department - meanwhile i didnt get his title. I digress). My time in LA running our location there was pretty much minimum 90 hour weeks. 7/24/365 operation with client calls at 3 am if trains broke down. Not fun.

I'm working less than 70 hours a week for the first time in 10+ years. Maybe this is normal and I forgot.

You guys are both alpha males. Keep truckin boys.

 

[Starat327]

You guys are both alpha males. Keep truckin boys.

Id happily be a beta if it meant normal work hours.