Pettersson vs Matthews

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Who will be the better player?

  1. Elias Pettersson

    53.3%
  2. Auston Matthews

    37.9%
  3. Too Close to call

    8.8%
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  1. Walter Sobchak

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    They are both great players and right now I think Matthews is better. However, I personally haven't seen a more cerebral player come into the league in recent years than Pettersson. His hockey I.Q. in relation to his high end skating and shooting abilities is unmatched in my opinion. I believe that over the next 5 years Pettersson will be the player, not Matthews, who could challenge McDavid for the crown as top overall player. I personally don’t think he gets there, McDavid’s skill is just a step above all of the other top end players including Pettersson, but I think he makes it interesting because his hockey I.Q. is on another level.
     
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    But the comparison with Barzal does not hold up since Pettersson was arguably the best U19 player ever in SHL last season. Many agreed that he was the best prospect from Sweden since Peter Forsberg.
     
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    Matthews plays the second line on a team stacked with Talent. Hell He should have way more points despite time missed. Right about the EP is the Canucks. Boeser, Horvat are good but that's about it when it comes to serious offense for the Nucks. Yet EP is outscoring Matthews.
     
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    [QUOTE="Phil68, post: 156458363, member: 98102”]Yet EP is outscoring Matthews.[/QUOTE]

    No, Pettersson is not outscoring Matthews!

    Matthews - 42 GP, 25 goals 25 assists.

    Pettersson - 46 GP, 25 goals 26 assists.

    Matthews is outscoring Pettersson with the higher PPG average. Matthews also gets less ice time with a stacked Toronto team, whereas Vancouver is garbage and EP gets the spotlight.

    Pettersson would be the 3rd line C in Toronto playing behind #91 and #34.
     
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    Pettersson is rookie. Matthews is 3rd year player. A rookie is posting nearly identical stats to a 3rd year supposed generational talent.
     
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    Pettersson is rookie. Matthews is 3rd year player. A rookie is posting nearly identical stats to a 3rd year supposed generational talent.[/QUOTE]
    Matthews scored 40 goals as a 18 yo rookie teenager. Pettersson is 20.
     
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    Matthews also finished tied for 2nd in total goals in his rookie season just 4 behind Crosby. I doubt Pettersson will finish that high once the season ends.
     
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    Imagine if Pettersson had the type of talent around him, especially on the PP that there is in Toronto.

    Imagine if teams had another player to focus on defending when they play Vancouver as there is in Toronto. Pettersson is the absolute singular point of focus for other teams defending. Imagine if he had another C as good as Tavares to take some of that focus off of him. Imagine if Pettersson had that crisp early outlet pass that Rielly provides instead of constantly having to come back so deep and starting the plays himself.
     
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    Matthews.
     
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    Well the thing is if you always use PPG to illustrate that Matthews is more than a 70 pt player, which is fair, you’d also have to use GPG in his rookie goal scoring totals, in which case he was 5th in scoring, not 2nd.

    Either way, the point is that you can’t use totals in one case because it looks better and then use PPG or pace in another example. Only one metric should be used, whichever one it is, but then it can’t be switched just for optics.
     
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    So it's easier to get points on a garbage team? Good to know.
     
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    Will be a huge boost if Sandin and Liljegren pan out quickly as well.
     
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    Maybe I'm reading it wrong but since Matthews had 40 goals as a rookie wouldn't that mean he was 1st in rookie scoring and not 5th.

    Also no matter how else you want to say it Matthews was tied for 2nd in total goals as a rookie with Kucherov.
     
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    Mathews scored 40 goals in the NHL as a Teenager! Two years younger than rookie Pettersson.
     
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    Sure to the team in general. But my point is that the forwards in Toronto already have an elite puck moving and playmaking defenseman while the forwards in Vancouver have nothing of the sort.
     
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    No matter how you want to slice it, Matthews is the better player.

    I am not saying that Pettersson is a bad player at all. He is good, but not Matthews good. This will be proven over the next few seasons.
     
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    Matthews scored 40 goals as a 18 yo rookie teenager. Pettersson is 20.[/QUOTE]

    Mathews started rookie year at 18 finished at 19 and Elias started at 19 will finish at 20. We know you love hating on Canucks as I've seen your posts galore on our boards but at least get your facts straight.

    No idea whats up with HFboards today but my reply quote got mangled.
     
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    My point is that if you’re going to use totals in one scenario, you have to use totals in the other scenario. Or conversely, if your going to use points per game or goals per game in one scenario, then you have to use it the other.

    You’re flip flopping between those two and using the one that Matthews looks better in in different cases.

    If you’re going to say that it’s ridiculous that Matthews isn’t a 70 point player because his PPG clearly indicates he would pass that, then you’d have to use goals per game in his rookie season as well in which case he was 5th in goal scoring as a rookie

    Totals- 40 goals = 2nd in goals as rookie
    Totals- never hit 70 pts

    Per game l- played at over a PPG pace so the 70 pt criticism is invalid
    Per game- was 5th in goals as rookie


    You can’t flip flop between PPG and totals to strengthen your case in different scenarios.
     
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    I look forward to this playing out as I think EP is better.
     
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    I don’t think you know your math. Austin was 19 when he started in the NHL. EP was 19 as well, but turned 20 in November. He was not two years younger, he was 10 months younger than when EP started.
     
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    I'm still confused at how he was 5th in goals as a rookie? His 40 goals lead all rookies and his 69 total points also lead all rookies in both categories.
     
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    Sounds good. :thumbu:
     
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    He was 5th in goals per game. He 2nd in total goals.

    So if your going to use totals for his rookie season, you should use totals in all other seasons. Using totals means he was 2nd in rookie goal scoring but he’s not a 70 point player

    If you’re going to use goals per game or points per game in the past couple of season, you’d have to use goals per game or pts per game in his rookie season. Using these metrics he is a 70+ point player but he was 5th in goal scoring in his rookie season (using goals per game as a metric)

    This link is Matthews rookie season set to goals per game. As you can see, there were 4 players (Crosby, Kucherov, Malkin and Laine) who were above him in goals per game. If you don’t like using this “pace” metric, then you shouldn’t use the “pace” metric in his following seasons.


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    that isn't my quote. it's the other guys. i said pettersson is rookie posting similar stats to am34
     
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    Now I understand what you were saying, however I rather follow actual stats that show Matthews finished tied for 2nd in total goals. So I guess we have to agree to disagree about this.
     
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