Possible too that they just win enough to still make Dubas think they're contenders, signs Jake to what he wants, then they still miss and now the cap is even more f***ed.Going to be funny when we keep Jake, miss the playoffs and let him walk in the offseason.
....and still keep Mike Sullivan around after another failed season
At least the NYI org has the balls to make a change after losing ground in the playoff race. Many of us (me included) scoffed at Knoblauch coming into Edmonton but look how that turned out. Tocchet leading the #1 team in the NHL right now. Momentum is very real in hockey - the Pens of all teams know this but yet here we are with the same doofus behind the bench.Anyway, it's hilarious to think of Patrick Roy coaching the Lou-led Isles. This should be good.
dont think i would accept any deal for Guentzel w/o a 1st coming back, replacing the one we have to give SJ (albeit it looks like the one we give to SJ will be higher)Alright Alvin
Hoglander, Lekkerimaki and a 2nd
Roy's a headcase and I eagerly await he and Lou butting heads, but yeah, agree overall. It's literal years beyond Sullivan's expiration, but whatever. I don't care anymore. This organization's doodoo.At least the NYI org has the balls to make a change after losing ground in the playoff race. Many of us (me included) scoffed at Knoblauch coming into Edmonton but look how that turned out. Tocchet leading the #1 team in the NHL right now. Momentum is very real in hockey - the Pens of all teams know this but yet here we are with the same doofus behind the bench.
When I heard the Roy news my instant reaction was wtf as well, but then I slept on it and now I'm thinking more like: Maybe we, the Penguins, shouldn't throw stones when it comes to news about coaching changes.
Nah its just a mirage. Anything could happen with a new coach. They could even not get out out the first round for 5 years!Man, that new coach points bump would sure come in handy right about now…
Don’t forget trading our 1st for a rental and losing next seasons lottery pick to SanJose.Going to be funny when we keep Jake, miss the playoffs and let him walk in the offseason.
....and still keep Mike Sullivan around after another failed season
Going to be funny when we keep Jake, miss the playoffs and let him walk in the offseason.
....and still keep Mike Sullivan around after another failed season
12 goals already only averaging a lil over 11:00 minutes per game is quite impressive. What I gather from Nucks fans is he competes hards, battles along the boards and wins. Certainly seems like someone we could use. And someone Sully wouldn't seem to find fault with and bench for eternity. At 23 already, he'd be a sweetener in a deal obviously and not a main piece.I like Hoglander in a Guentzel return because they feel like they're similarly molded. Hoglander has a shot and strong hockey sense. He's pacing for mid-20s in goals with 3rd/4th line minutes, though his shooting % is unsustainable.
If you did 1st + prospect + Hoglander + Kuzmenko, that's not an awful return.
You could flip the 1st if needed, plus a Pickering or something for a younger piece that's on the market, like a Chychrun, or Mittlestadt, you could still compete this year and position yourselves better long-term. Underachieving teams like Buffalo, Minnesota, St. Louis, and Ottawa could be targeted in similar deals.
I like Hoglander in a Guentzel return because they feel like they're similarly molded. Hoglander has a shot and strong hockey sense. He's pacing for mid-20s in goals with 3rd/4th line minutes, though his shooting % is unsustainable.
If you did 1st + prospect + Hoglander + Kuzmenko, that's not an awful return.
You could flip the 1st if needed, plus a Pickering or something for a younger piece that's on the market, like a Chychrun, or Mittlestadt, you could still compete this year and position yourselves better long-term. Underachieving teams like Buffalo, Minnesota, St. Louis, and Ottawa could be targeted in similar deals.
I like Hoglander in a Guentzel return because they feel like they're similarly molded. Hoglander has a shot and strong hockey sense. He's pacing for mid-20s in goals with 3rd/4th line minutes, though his shooting % is unsustainable.
If you did 1st + prospect + Hoglander + Kuzmenko, that's not an awful return.
You could flip the 1st if needed, plus a Pickering or something for a younger piece that's on the market, like a Chychrun, or Mittlestadt, you could still compete this year and position yourselves better long-term. Underachieving teams like Buffalo, Minnesota, St. Louis, and Ottawa could be targeted in similar deals.
Yeah, our GA is not from good defense, we’ve had great goaltending since December. And all of this talk of blowing it up is just a waste of time. If Dubas traded Guentzel and unilaterally ended the Sid/Geno era, it would be the ballsiest thing a Pens GM has done in a long time. Does anyone really believe it’s a possibility?This is from a poster on another site…hard not to agree with this
“The Penguins are 14th out of 16 teams in goal scoring, and are 25th out of 32 in the league. None of the teams below them in goal scoring are playoff teams. The next 4 teams above them in goal scoring in the league...are also NOT in the playoffs. 43 games into last year, they had 8 more goals for at this point, which was 10th in the conference, and they were 19th overall in the league in goal scoring.
One may look at that statement and say "All the more reason to keep Guentzel," or you could say, this team is behind last year's pace in goals for and points (about 3-4 points behind last years pace) with Guentzel in the lineup this year. Guentzel is not the problem, but he isn't magically the solution, either.
Now on the flip side, the Penguins have the FEWEST goals against in the conference, and 3rd lowest overall in the league. Compared to last year at this time, where they had the 8th fewest goals against in the conference and 14th fewest in the league.
What this tells me is, the key to this team moving forward is playing lock-down defensive hockey. Have you seen much this year that makes one think this team can play consistent defensive hockey? All the odd-man rushes and blown leads pretty loudly shout no to me.”
No I do not. The Sid/Geno era will not be "done" if they trade Guentzel. If that is the case, one of two things will happen:Yeah, our GA is not from good defense, we’ve had great goaltending since December. And all of this talk of blowing it up is just a waste of time. If Dubas traded Guentzel and unilaterally ended the Sid/Geno era, it would be the ballsiest thing a Pens GM has done in a long time. Does anyone really believe it’s a possibility?
If you are trading Jake, that is the white flag on the season. I say, get what you can while you can. What's the downside to "only hurt"? As is, we are presumably heading to a 10-18th OV finish. Worst case, we really go downhill and we end up...8-10ov? What's the problem with that?Too much change at the deadline will only hurt, not help…only one or two players should be swapped out…we can swap out Jake in a hockey trade provided his replacement and others on the current roster pick up the finishing slake…that’s one of our two major issues…
Yeah, I was presuming we trade Jake even though we haven’t given up on the season and still have WC pretensions…see, I don’t see it as a white flag if you, for example, trade Jake to VAN and one piece coming back is Hoglander…he has 12 goals on the season and fights for puck and he’d probably get more ice time and a better role here considering VaN has way more offensive talent…If you are trading Jake, that is the white flag on the season. I say, get what you can while you can. What's the downside to "only hurt"? As is, we are presumably heading to a 10-18th OV finish. Worst case, we really go downhill and we end up...8-10ov? What's the problem with that?
It's tough to win a Stanley Cup.The last like three-ish seasons have been one big white flag.
Yeah, he would be a nice piece to get back. If we are struggling for WC spot now, I'm not sure out "Guentzel out, Hoglander in" changes that status. i would send Jake, Neds, and Smith out at the very least and hope for the best with whatever returns we get.Yeah, I was presuming we trade Jake even though we haven’t given up on the season and still have WC pretensions…see, I don’t see it as a white flag if you, for example, trade Jake to VAN and one piece coming back is Hoglander…he has 12 goals on the season and fights for puck and he’d probably get more ice time and a better role here considering VaN has way more offensive talent…
May not but it’s pretty clear by now that we need changes in top six and on the PP to compete with our lack of finishing and complete dogshit of a PP…and I definitely don’t want to take on Huberdeau’s ridiculous contract even with a small amount retainedIt's tough to win a Stanley Cup.
That's why I was regularly harsh on people who seemed to go out of their way to bemoan their own existence during the Cup runs. Especially 2017.
Yeah, he would be a nice piece to get back. If we are struggling for WC spot now, I'm not sure out "Guentzel out, Hoglander in" changes that status. i would send Jake, Neds, and Smith out at the very least and hope for the best with whatever returns we get.