BigEezyE22
Continuing to not support HF.
Wouldn't this be the easiest way to keep players out of the Olympics? Keep insanely relaxed standards on PED's and just leave the players exposed to doing themselves out of qualification of the Olympics...
People generally know so little about PEDs when in these discussions.
Testosterone is a PED. It’s actually THE PED. Most everything else is a compound based off the molecular structure of testosterone. Most synthetic steroids like dianabol, anavar, winstrol, etc. are run side by side with testosterone. Testosterone alone can still provide a wealth of benefits. We produce it naturally. You can inject it to raise your levels. It assists with putting on muscle, or not losing muscle over a long season, metabolism, recovery, aggression, etc. The way to test for it? Check someone’s testosterone levels. But it’s the same way you or I would get checked for low testosterone and these are young professional athletes who are expected to have higher testosterone to begin with. Testosterone levels also fluctuate between day and night and day to day, as well as with age, depending on what you’re eating, how hard you’re training, etc.
You could inject body builder type amounts (anywhere from 500-1000mg weekly) and have an insanely high amount of testosterone which would make the results of a blood test a lot more obvious. But you could also take testosterone replacement therapy level injections, say 100-200mg a week, and have a much less suspicious testosterone level. Normally a man whose testosterone levels read below 300 will get TRT to bring him back up into the 400-500 range.
A hockey player who is in the 500 range could boost himself to 750 using this method, still he considered in the “normal” range and not raise any red flags in a blood test and without knowing a regular baseline for that player to compare it, no one would be able to prove they’re injecting testosterone. Additionally, even if they had a “baseline” for that player, once again diet, training, age, etc. all factor into changes in testosterone anyway. Meanwhile, it’s believable that these professional athletes would come back with results on the higher end of normal so it’s entirely feasible for a player to intelligently and discreetly boost performance, recovery and aggression using smaller doses of testosterone and not pop positive for a PED ever.
Russia is Russia. As different from western european countries as is south america from north america.You know Russia is a European country right? The place where the government helps athletes take their drugs.
The answer to OP is "extremely common". Just like all sports.
Ok, well I do know it's true and it's common knowledge. The idea that you think you know better than the "US medical system" or whatever is kind of laughable especially considering you don't even sound like you know why pseudo ephedrine is banned by the IOC. And yes, I do think it's monitored because it's used in the production of Meth, I pretty clearly said that. I also think it's pretty convenient that Backstrom was using that specific allergy medicine instead of one that doesn't include a stimulant in it. Just because something isn't a "Hulk-mania super-drug" doesn't mean it won't enhance your performance which is the literal name of PEDs. You sound like you think the only PEDs we should be worried about are anabolic steroids that increase testosterone which is pretty funny to be honest.
Just depends on how bad his allergies are. If he's been taking them for that long of a time, they're probably pretty bad. And add in that he was taking them on the advice of the team doctor and had disclosed that he was taking it, I'd say the chances of him using it as a PED are pretty slimRegardless, I didn't even mention Backstrom in my list of players caught using PEDs but for whatever reason you keep arguing him and not someone like Zykov who was just caught this season and his own team came out and said he was knowingly using a banned substance.
What are you talking about? The reason for the drug being monitored has everything to do with the drug itself. It's monitored because it contains a stimulant. The IOC monitors stimulants because they can give athletes a competitive edge.Regardless, you have admitted that the reason for it being monitored has absolutely nothing to do with the drug itself, so not sure why you represented it as anything other than the pretty basic over-the-counter allergy medication that it is.
I never said he definitely took it to enhance his performance. Again, I actually didn't even mention him in the list of players suspended for PEDs. You brought him up. But to act like there's no chance that Backstrom took that specific medication instead of the myriad of other options that don't contain stimulants is a little naive.The IOC literally said there was "no indication that Mr. Backstrom intended to enhance his sport performance by taking a prohibited substance".
And you believing every excuse an athlete gives when he gets caught using banned substance is the same.This is you applying intent/motive with zero evidence.
Well, this is wrong. Drugs are placed on a banned substance list for one of three reasons. Either they're illegal, they can give someone a competitive edge, or they cover up other banned substances. Drugs aren't placed on banned lists for the hell of it.Just because something is on the list, it doesn't mean that it's going to provide any real impact at the threshold.
here you go again with buzz words like juicing and steroids to clearly illustrate how little you know about PEDs. If you think railing a line of coke before a hockey game isn't going to give someone a competitive edge or that cocaine use detected by the IOC is fine because the test wasn't done by the NHL, you're simply turning a blind eye and that's fine but it doesn't mean it's not PED use.I didn't say that at all, but you make it sound like people who use those smelling salts on the bench may as well be juicing up into steroid monsters.
People did the same thing with the MLB, turns out they were right.People claiming rampant PEDs in the NHL with absolutely zero evidence incoming.
agreed .I'm pretty sure a good chunk of NHL players use PED's, the question is do we want the NHL to follow the UFC route for testing? I don't know about you, but I sure don't want USADA anywhere near the NHL.
People generally know so little about PEDs when in these discussions.
Testosterone is a PED. It’s actually THE PED.
Players are tested in pre season and once at “random” which probably isn’t random. And there are Cba rules in place that only allow 60 total nhl players to be tested in the offseason.Two questions:
1) when was the last time a player got caught for PEDs? I honestly cant recall ever hearing of it...
2) people say the testing is a joke but how? What is the NHLs current testing policy like?
Any time you're dealing with the elite level of a pro sport involving millions of dollars, it's a pretty safe assumption that people are looking for any advantage they can gain. And some of those advantages will be PEDs.People claiming rampant PEDs in the NHL with absolutely zero evidence incoming.
No, it has to do with how the medication can be utilized and modified in the production of way more dangerous recreational drugs that are illegal.What are you talking about? The reason for the drug being monitored has everything to do with the drug itself.
To act like there's a relevant chance that Backstrom took that specific medication instead of other options that likely worked way worse for him, that would have negligible impact on his abilities at best, for some competitive advantage reasons and then went around telling everybody about it for 7+ years, is a little ridiculous, especially when WADA, the IOC, the IIHF, and the medical professionals all came out to say that there was no intention.But to act like there's no chance that Backstrom took that specific medication instead of the myriad of other options that don't contain stimulants is a little naive.
No, me critically evaluating people's given reasons in these rare cases that seem entirely plausible and likely in most circumstances is not the same as pulling intent out of thin air and assuming the worst.And you believing every excuse an athlete gives when he gets caught using banned substance is the same.
No, it's quite right. Just because something is on the list, it doesn't mean that it's going to provide any real impact at the threshold.Well, this is wrong.
There is no evidence that people are "railing lines of coke" before hockey games.If you think railing a line of coke before a hockey game isn't going to give someone a competitive edge
HGH is way better. And would be way more beneficial to an nhl player.
It’s not hard to get anyone could buy legit pharmacy grade hgh in 10 min online. To administer it’s the same as test.HGH is harder to get and to administer but beyond that I won’t comment on how feasible or not it would be to run it undetected as I’m not familiar with the testing for HGH. Testosterone still provides ample benefits and can be done in a virtually undetectable manner. I would be very surprised if less than 1/3 of all professional athletes aren’t shooting T. In the TRT level doses that would still provide recovery and mild performance benefits, it’s not only undetectable but has virtually no drawbacks, unless you’re a DHT sensitive male with the gene for male pattern baldness. I would agree that HGH is a superior hormone and if I could afford it, I’d run it.
Does multiple current and ex NHLers admitting it in conversation count?People claiming rampant PEDs in the NHL with absolutely zero evidence incoming.
Meth is a stimulant. I'll let you take one guess what ingredient in Meth makes it a stimulant. You're making it sound like pseudoephedrine isn't a stimulant on it's own and it's modified to become one and that's 100% false.No, it has to do with how the medication can be utilized and modified in the production of way more dangerous recreational drugs that are illegal.
Ok, so tell me why pseudoephedrine is banned? Is it because the IOC thinks people should compete with allergies or is it because it's a known stimulant that can be masked as an allergy medicine?No, it's quite right. Just because something is on the list, it doesn't mean that it's going to provide any real impact at the threshold.
Well, the NHL isn't allowed to test for drugs on game day so there's no way to obtain said evidence. They also do not disclose if/when a player does test positive for cocaine so we wouldn't know anyway. Just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it's not happening. I get it, you don't believe players do coke because the NHL hasn't told you they do it. What we do know is that an NHL player being caught on video in front of two lines of coke and denied it was his and then when the IIHF tested him, he failed. I guess Kuzy is the only guy in the NHL that does coke. Totally isolated incident.There is no evidence that people are "railing lines of coke" before hockey games.
HGH is harder to get and to administer but beyond that I won’t comment on how feasible or not it would be to run it undetected as I’m not familiar with the testing for HGH. Testosterone still provides ample benefits and can be done in a virtually undetectable manner. I would be very surprised if less than 1/3 of all professional athletes aren’t shooting T. In the TRT level doses that would still provide recovery and mild performance benefits, it’s not only undetectable but has virtually no drawbacks, unless you’re a DHT sensitive male with the gene for male pattern baldness. I would agree that HGH is a superior hormone and if I could afford it, I’d run it.
And viagra for post game performances if you know what I mean.HGH for strength, Turinabol for recovery, ephedrine for alertness, cocaine for immortality.
ThisI have no idea just how rampant PEDs are in hockey, but I'm sure they are much more widespread than the few individuals who've been caught. Especially when the penalties for being caught right now aren't that harsh. The UFC only had a few fighters caught here and there pre-2014ish. Then they got strict third-party drug-testing from USADA, and fighters (including ones who you would never suspect) were popping left and right.
It’s not hard to get anyone could buy legit pharmacy grade hgh in 10 min online. To administer it’s the same as test.
Test is great don’t get me wrong. But it’s only undetectable if your levels are very low and your bring them up to normal male levels. This isn’t really performance enhancement. Low t wouldn’t even be an issue for like 95% of players imo.
only other way to be undetectable with these is to use test suspension which has very short half life.(in your system 2-4 hours) need many injections a day.
I’ve used quite a bit.
By international hockey? Because in certain quantities, used in certain ways, for certain people, there can be potential benefits, and they are very strict. That doesn't mean Backstrom was using it in that way, or that amount, or for that reason, and it doesn't mean it had any real effect on anything.Ok, so tell me why pseudoephedrine is banned?
What a statement. Apply this to anything, and you can believe anything.Just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it's not happening.
That was not before a game.What we do know is that an NHL player being caught on video in front of two lines of coke
Doing coke recreationally occasionally is very different from "railing lines of coke before games".I guess Kuzy is the only guy in the NHL that does coke.