Patrick Stewart to reprise role as Star Trek's Jean-Luc Picard

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Shockmaster

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"Ignoring" is a bit strong I think.

They went out of their way in the film to explain that this happened in a completely different timeline.

The destruction of Romulus occurred in the prime timeline. Spock and Nero's crew were sent back to the alternate timeline, which is where most of the events of that movie occurred.
 

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The destruction of Romulus occurred in the prime timeline. Spock and Nero's crew were sent back to the alternate timeline, which is where most of the events of that movie occurred.


Ah, good point. Would Picard still be alive? Vulcans are quite long-lived.
 

Shockmaster

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Ah, good point. Would Picard still be alive? Vulcans are quite long-lived.

In JJ's movie it was noted that in the prime timeline Romulus was destroyed in 2387. This series is taking place 20 years after Nemesis, which occurred in 2379. So this series should be picking up 12 years after the destruction of Romulus in 2399.
 

RobBrown4PM

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The destruction of Romulus was sooooooooo dumb. Romulus' star wasn't going to go nova anytime, not for countless of millions of years. Having a star go nova that isn't supposed to go nova for countless eons is bad, bad, bad writing. Even if Romulus' star was going predicted to go Supernova in 2387, Romulus would have been on the ass end of it's death spiral countless tens of thousands of years before the Romulan star Empire and the world sterilized.

Do you what a better storyline would have been for Romulus?

Romulus was one of the two major powers in the Alpha Quadrant to come out of the Dominion War intact in 2375. The Klingon Empire was severely mauled and depleted after the war. The Cardassian Empire was in complete ruins. The Breen were on the losing end and will have paid a major economic and territorial price for losing. But the Romulan's came into the war late, and because the Klingon's were hell bent on taking the full brunt of the counter punches from the Dominion (Thanks Gowron), the Romulan's were able to come out of the war with relatively few casualties.

You could have weaved a story of the Romulan Star Empire taking advantage of the destruction brought upon the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. If you wanted an action adventure series/movie you could easily have one by having the Romulan's going to war with the Federation. If you wanted to have a more philosophical, trekkian like series or movie, you could still have an aggressive Romulan Empire pursuing expansion, but you go into depth about how a heavily militarized Federation would deal with this threat. Would the Federation continue to militarize? Or would it see how militarization and 3+ years of constant war (Federation was at war with the Klingon's just prior to the Dominion War) eroded the principles and ideals to which the Federation was built upon. There was so much squandered potential here.
 
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johnjm22

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Starfleet has lost its moral center. The Federation has become isolationist and not trustworthy.

That's part of the premise of this show.

It was inspired the contemporary politics of Trump and Brexit. (Yawn. Talk about doing the most obvious thing possible.)

Most future based science fiction is dystopian. A big part of what set Star Trek apart was its optimistic view of humanity's future. When you remove that it starts turning into generic Sci-Fi.
 

RobBrown4PM

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Starfleet has lost its moral center. The Federation has become isolationist and not trustworthy.

That's part of the premise of this show.

It was inspired the contemporary politics of Trump and Brexit. (Yawn. Talk about doing the most obvious thing possible.)

Most future based science fiction is dystopian. A big part of what set Star Trek apart was its optimistic view of humanity's future. When you remove that it starts turning into generic Sci-Fi.

I have no problem with this as long as they give a reason for it. The Dominion war would be the perfect reason for this.
 
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Starfleet has lost its moral center. The Federation has become isolationist and not trustworthy.

That's part of the premise of this show.

It was inspired the contemporary politics of Trump and Brexit. (Yawn. Talk about doing the most obvious thing possible.)

Most future based science fiction is dystopian. A big part of what set Star Trek apart was its optimistic view of humanity's future. When you remove that it starts turning into generic Sci-Fi.

They did it with Discovery, as well. The Klingons were meant to embody today's xenophobia and Section 31 was brought front and center so that it was hard to tell it apart from Starfleet. If what you say is true, they're doubling down on that with this series.

If you want send a message about where society is going, instead of making Star Trek dystopian and frightening, keep it utopian and a contrast to modern society, not a reflection of it. It's more effective and less pretentious to be a good role model and show what to aspire to than to simply wag your finger.
 

johnjm22

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They did it with Discovery, as well. The Klingons were meant to embody today's xenophobia and Section 31 was brought front and center so that it was hard to tell it apart from Starfleet. If what you say is true, they're doubling down on that with this series.

If you want send a message about where society is going, instead of making Star Trek dystopian and frightening, keep it utopian and a contrast to modern society, not a reflection of it. It's more effective and less pretentious to be a good role model and show what to aspire to than to simply wag your finger.
It's true. It came straight from Patrick Stewart: ‘Star Trek: Picard’: Patrick Stewart on Why He Returned to the Final Frontier

Writing a show with a positive future is more challenging from a writing perspective IMO.
 

johnjm22

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My favorite line from that Variety article:

"Alex Kurtzman, the show’s creator and executive producer, and the mastermind behind CBS’ effort to not just revive “Star Trek” but also transform it into a vast narrative universe in the Marvel mold."
 

The Nemesis

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My favorite line from that Variety article:

"Alex Kurtzman, the show’s creator and executive producer, and the mastermind behind CBS’ effort to not just revive “Star Trek” but also transform it into a vast narrative universe in the Marvel mold."

:laugh: because Kurtzman's last attempt at crafting a big, sprawling film franchise universe out of a beloved ip went soooo well...

Let's go ask Transformers fans what they thought of how respectful Alex Kurtzman was when heas the visionary and mastermind of their property. :D
 
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I have little interest in even watching this series, and none of the trailers or releases about it have made things better.
Yeah, while I'm not in automatic boycott mode like with Discovery, I am not really excited about this as it approaches. We can just hope it actually turns out to be good.
 

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My favorite line from that Variety article:

"Alex Kurtzman, the show’s creator and executive producer, and the mastermind behind CBS’ effort to not just revive “Star Trek” but also transform it into a vast narrative universe in the Marvel mold."

JJ wants to turn it into Star Wars Kurtzman wants to turn it into Marvel. Ugh!
 

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