coach's corner closing:
Cherry: Winnipeg, get ready
MacLean: Habs have the jets in the first period, and winnipeg will have theirs soon.
I can't take much more, Bettman for heavens sakes spell it out give Glendale 48 hours then confirm Winnipeg
coach's corner closing:
Cherry: Winnipeg, get ready
MacLean: Habs have the jets in the first period, and winnipeg will have theirs soon.
actually, this is a ballsy move by the NHL to kick Hulsizer in the butt and make him do something. It says as much in the article.
It also makes a statement to GWI to try to make things seem inevitable.
But in the end, it's TNSE going after early sponsorship from corporations.
What'll be interesting is how the Moose will react to all the rumor mongoring. Out in the first round with no push?
Well somebody isseriously incorrect.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=70166
October 24 @ 1:10 AM ET
League Average $51.41
Anaheim $43.50
Atlanta $48.51
Boston $54.94
Buffalo $36.43
Calgary $59.73
Carolina $38.38
Chicago $46.80
Colorado $40.62
Columbus $47.66
Dallas $35.66
Detroit $46.60
Edmonton $59.71
Florida $48.76
Los Angeles $47.20
Minnesota $61.28
Montreal $72.18
Nashville $48.36
New Jersey $48.05
NY Rangers $58.57
NY Islanders $51.46
Ottawa $52.77
Philadelphia $60.25
Phoenix $37.45
Pittsburgh $55.55
San Jose $43.07
St. Louis $37.90
Tampa Bay $35.76
toronto $117.49
Vancouver $62.05
Washington $44.75
[/Standard TMR Disclaimer]kdb209 said:Wait, you're basing this on the "leaked" Globe & Mail report, right?
Yes - and simple analysis done of actual Colorado (ColoradoHockeyFan) and San Jose (myself) ticket prices.
This post by CHF shows the flaw in TMRs methodology after they changed it in 2001 to arbitrarily exclude "premium" seats.
Thank you. (And thanks to Fugu too.)kdb209 said:No. That is a BAD place to find pricing info.
The bogus numbers on the Team Marketing Report site have been debunked numerous times on the BoH board.
Probably the best (and possibly the only) numbers you are going to find for avg ticket prices were the numbers leaked last year in the Globe & Mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/content/pdf/NHLweb.pdf
Continue to spread the message about the worthlessness of Team Marketing Report, and we will eventually triumph over misinformation! Can I get a hallelujah!
And to further the cause, here is the sorted version of the accurate numbers from that Globe and Mail link:
PHP:Average ticket prices by team Team 2006-07 2005-06 Toronto Maple Leafs 80.33 78.98 Colorado Avalanche 71.04 65.55 New York Rangers 63.53 54.19 Dallas Stars 61.43 58.37 Edmonton Oilers 61.14 50.20 Montreal Canadiens 60.82 58.74 Boston Bruins 59.71 56.61 Vancouver Canucks 58.74 56.24 Detroit Red Wings 56.95 56.72 Columbus Blue Jackets 56.07 53.77 Philadelphia Flyers 54.59 51.94 Minnesota Wild 54.54 51.18 Anaheim Ducks 52.25 49.79 San Jose Sharks 50.95 49.05 Calgary Flames 50.70 46.97 Ottawa Senators 50.38 45.30 New Jersey Devils 49.91 48.97 Los Angeles Kings 46.75 44.17 New York Islanders 45.04 46.30 Carolina Hurricanes 44.91 38.81 Tampa Bay Lightning 44.50 42.38 Phoenix Coyotes 43.60 45.66 Chicago Blackhawks 40.79 39.74 Nashville Predators 40.33 34.74 Florida Panthers 39.75 44.59 Washington Capitals 39.57 36.16 St. Louis Blues 39.50 35.23 Pittsburgh Penguins 38.62 38.05 Atlanta Thrashers 37.27 32.70 Buffalo Sabres 36.67 36.37 League average 52.13 49.31
Edit: An additional note on one of the reasons that Team Marketing Report's numbers are bogus. Sometime around the 2000-2001 season, they inexplicably decided to stop including anything termed "premium seating" in their average ticket prices. This immediately invalidates their numbers because of the way in which they collect their data--from marketing reps of the respective teams. Each team is allowed to label as "premium seating" any portion of their arena. So a team like Colorado, for example, can simply say that the entire lower bowl is "premium," and exclude it from the average, which is how you wind up with their laughable (made-up) "average" ticket price of under $40!
Edit: For a clear illustration of the effect of the above artificial calculation of average ticket price, observe the historical prices reported by TMR documented here:
http://andrewsstarspage.com/NHL-Business/ticket-prices.htm
Note the average ticket prices reported for Colorado during the 2000-01 season and the 2001-02 season. According to TMR, the average ticket price dropped that year from $63.11 in 2000-01 to $37.36 in 2001-02. In other words, TMR would have you believe that the Avs, coming off of a Stanley Cup winning season, with one of the best single seasons ever put together by an NHL team, not only decided to drop their ticket prices (laughable enough), but decided to drop them by an unheard of 41%! (clearly more laughable). As a season ticket-holder for the past 12 years, I can assure you that no such thing happened (not that I needed to tell you this). There was no drop, obviously. There was an increase (also obviously). The artificial numbers reported by TMR that year (and every year thereafter) are simply the result of the seat classification flaw mentioned above in this post.
Does anyone else find it interesting that yesterday, Bill Daly said there was nothing to Phoenix deal being done, yet today, he kind of nods approval to this season ticket balloon float????
The $59 seats are very doable. Me & my buddy are in. Nothing confirmed yet but let's pray it happens.Based on the last pre-season game held in Winnipeg the prices would approx. be:
$39 = $1638
$49 = $2058
$59 = $2478
$79 = $3318
$99 = $4158
$119 = $4998
FWIW, both Columbus and Toronto require prospective season ticket buyers to buy Personal Seat Licenses. Columbus also required a 5 year commitment with the PSLs, when they were trying to get the franchise. Each PSL was about the same cost as the season in that seat. They sold about 15,000 PSLs.
Also, after that initial 5 year period, if the season tickets weren't renewed, the PSLs were forfeited.
There’s nothing official, not with the Phoenix Coyotes still playing in the NHL playoffs, but signs continue to mount that the troubled club is closer to moving to Winnipeg.
American Hockey League commissioner Dave Andrews said Thursday that he is in discussions with Manitoba Moose owner Mark Chipman about where Winnipeg’s AHL franchise could play if the Coyotes relocate to the city.
Andrews said the AHL has had a contingency plan in place since last year, when talk began that the NHL franchise could return to Winnipeg.
Two or three cities have expressed interest in having a minor-league team, but any move would involve input from the Moose’s parent franchise, the Vancouver Canucks.
A 3 yr term is pretty normal for a cell phone contract... you pay monthly, and only require one down payment (sometimes $0!). I suspect with NHL tickets, you will be locked in to a commitment of 3 years, with a single down payment (20-25% of one year's seats) as well. The rest of the balance owing would be split into monthly charges (balance divided by number of months).
Some more revenue information about the Oilers to share:
This means the arena generates ~36% of it's ticket revenues from non-hockey related events and 64% for NHL related events... ...the Oilers collect an estimated $4.1M from ticket surcharges that isn't accounted in any calculations so far.
Using the estimated $4.1M number, we can break down the average ticket price. If we go by the Forbe's value of $55 (aka, full 7% surcharge collected), the actual ticket price should be ~$51.40 (55/1.07) meaning the surcharge generates the Oiler's $3.60 per ticket. In order to collect $4.1M in surcharges the Oilers need to sell 1,138,889 tickets in a season. Divided by 44 (41+3preseason) home games equals 25,883 tickets per game. Obviously this number is way off. In order to get down to the 16384 seats that Rexall can have, the average ticket price must be 63% higher.
At an average ticket price of $87.30, $5.71 is the surcharge fee (87.30/1.07). At $5.71/ticket * 16384 /game * 44 games = $4.1M
Amid reports the deal to sell the Phoenix Coyotes to Chicago businessman Matthew Hulsizer is on life support, a source with knowledge of the situation told THN.com a deal is basically done to move the Coyotes to Winnipeg and will be announced sometime between the end of the Stanley Cup final and the June 24 draft.
What'll be interesting is how the Moose will react to all the rumor mongoring. Out in the first round with no push?
According to the source, the deal calls for the Coyotes to be sold to True North Sports and Entertainment for $140 million. It’s believed the deal will be announced at something north of $200 million, but that includes more than $60 million in renovations to add 2,500 seats to the MTS Centre in Winnipeg.
The source said the deal has not been signed, but there is a memorandum of agreement in place and that the deal will be signed when the NHL’s deal with Hulsizer officially dies