Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by MAROONSRoad, Apr 11, 2011.
get r done
Hypothetically, if the Yotes move to Winnipeg this year, and the Thrashers are forced to move this year, where are they most likely to go? Doesn't QC still have some work to do before they can get a team?
50% Quebec City
30% Kansas City
Take this for what it's worth, but spoke to Dave Thomson over the weekend and he said he was very confident that a deal is all but done, and the team will be playing in Winnipeg next year. I pressed him on the Jets/Moose question and he told me it would have to be a surprise.
I'm sure there will be some who don't believe me...but it seems like everyone is pretty desperate for information so I thought I would share anyway.
did he happen to mention who might be playing in his arena?
My personal opinion, based on complete ignorance because the NHL has refused my requests to be in their BoG Meetings, is that they would never consider moving two franchises in the same year. If the Coyotes move to Winnipeg, this almost assuredly indicates that Atlanta will stay put for at least another year to look for a local solution, even if it means the NHL takes over that franchise.
Dating back to last summer it has always been about the Coyotes.
The Shea Amphitheater?. Thats a mightyfine facility I'll have you know.
hmmm...that surprises me.
Would someone explain to me why people still think KC is a viable option? During their brief, miserable existence, they drew crowds of AHL calibre. In fact, when you consider that in any city that has had both leagues, AHL attendance is well below NHL attendance, KC would rank in the bottom of the AHL. It doesn't matter that the team was horrible, KC is clearly not a hockey town. Accept it, move on.
Hamilton? You aren't getting a team as long as the Maple Buds have influence. Accept it, move on.
Quebec City is clearly the right choice for the next (after Winnipeg of course) NHL franchise. They will have money backing them, they will have a new arena, they will have fan support. They will complete the Canadian Top 8 metropolitan areas (not counting Hamilton which of course is disqualified by their proximity to the centre of the universe) and that's really all Canada can hope for.
If they call an NHL team the Moose I will puke in my sleep.
Winnipeg Jets all the way!
They have an arena, and if an ownership group comes up that's all that matters. That said, if another team is going to move, Quebec would probably be the city with the most enthusiastic group of willing owners (quite a few big names looking to bring a team there).
Because they have an (almost) new, shiny arena without an anchor tenant.
(Still haven't seen anyone come up with a potential owner for there -- and that's the NHL's second criteria about relocating team.)
How can you assert this when we've seen them lose lots of money every year?
Ehh, I'll take that one back. Late night, too much wine. Money can make anything happen. Unless your name is Balsillie.
Toronto and Buffalo only have 2 votes out of 30 in a 50%+1 voting.
If MSLE can grease hands they could swing the votes.
And it's operated by AEG, who have significant clout with the NHL.
You can't just look at what colour ink you're writing with and make assumptions about viability and stability. The Coyotes were drawing very well when they were downtown at AWA, but they lost money because of a crappy lease. The fact that they were drawing well shows that there's a possibility that they could draw well in the future.
they also need 3) a business plan appropriate to the market. the NHL's old strategy of "build it and they will come" has led to many problems in new markets.
see there is always an excuse
after 15 years there had better be solutions not more excuses
i'd be surprised if the Gary Bettmans NHL would give Canada back 2 teams so soon..
unfortunately i have this feeling QC is going down the same path as Hamilton did.. brand new arena no team
The Coyotes lost money while playing at AWA also.
Can you detail why the Coyotes' lease at Jobing.com was "crappy." Consider that the taxpayers paid $180MM to build the arena. The Coyotes had access to much of the revenue from the building. And as lessee did not have to pay any property taxes.
Plus, presumably they could have generated and kept a whole whack of revenue from parking, though for some reason they decided not to generate anything from that revenue source.
All they need is a fanbase, business plan, ownership willing to buy into the NHL after seeing 2 expansion teams lose a combined $630 million in non-traditional hockey markets.
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