Also what turned them away from Barzal and Connor, did they interview that badly?
From what I've read on these boards Barzal showed arrogance and Connor told them he didn't want to play for the Bruins, don't know how valid that info is though.
Also what turned them away from Barzal and Connor, did they interview that badly?
I read here (I think) that one of them came off as cocky but who knows what it was that turned them off.Also what turned them away from Barzal and Connor, did they interview that badly?
Yeah, that's what I gathered too about Barzal, I never heard that about Connor. If that's the reason for not picking Connor, I get it. Barzal on the other hand I don't know. Of course as others have said here "hindsight is 20/20."From what I've read on these boards Barzal showed arrogance and Connor told them he didn't want to play for the Bruins, don't know how valid that info is though.
From what I've read on these boards Barzal showed arrogance and Connor told them he didn't want to play for the Bruins, don't know how valid that info is though.
Yeah, that's what I gathered too about Barzal, I never heard that about Connor. If that's the reason for not picking Connor, I get it. Barzal on the other hand I don't know. Of course as others have said here "hindsight is 20/20."
Yeah, that's what I gathered too about Barzal, I never heard that about Connor. If that's the reason for not picking Connor, I get it. Barzal on the other hand I don't know. Of course as others have said here "hindsight is 20/20."
That Connor stuff was complete crap from Buins apologists here. stuff is total BS.
Well to me I take BPA, I don't give a f*** if he's gonna sign with me or not. Perfect example is Lindros, he told the Nordiques he wouldn't sign with them , they choose him anyways. Look at the return they got for him. Assets are assets and I'm not going to discouraged by an 18 year old who wants it his way.
Exactly we got pasta at 25 and say if another team got him he went so late and we hit a lottery with him. McAvoy also at 14 th what a steal.There will always have some whining about missed draft pick.
Could whine about almost every pick.
2015 is the biggest forum for the whiners cause three consecutive 1st rounders and players that got drafted afterwards will have much greater career.
When you play what if, you can’t just add.
What if Bruins got Barzal instead of Senyshyn but someone takes Pasta and McAvoy before the Bruins in 14 and 16?
I like this team as it is and while I would gladly add Barzal, I wouldn’t substract either of them for him.
I rather reality than what if.
Whining about 2015 draft or any missed pick is like whining about the 1993 swept loss against May Day. Get over it.
I totally agree and I posted something similar in the first thread. This smells like the typical Bruins PR BS to try and justify the stupidity of the front office. We've seen this time and time again.I can't see an 18 yr old kid playing in the USHL telling
an O6 franchise 1 year removed from a Presidents Trophy and 2 from being SCF and 4 from being Champs
I won't sign with you.
He is a Detroit area kid, so maybe he said something
like I hated Boston growing up. So what? McAvoy
tweeted the same thing as a kid. Further he went to UMichigan so B's would have had him for 3 more years. He signed after his Fr. year. That Connor stuff was
complete crap from Buins apologists here.
stuff is total BS.
Indeed it is. Looking back, yeah, what a flub. But there were reasons the Bruins passed on who they passed on and they were legitimate reasons at the time. It doesn't make them good reasons, but they are professionals- they don't go into a draft like some here have said and think "how can I prove I am the smartest guy in the room." Of all the stupid crap I've read (and said myself) on these forums, that particular line has been one of the all-time worst.
The problem with the "hindsight is 20/20" line is at the time it wasn't. There was TONS of pushback on their picks AT THE TIME. Zboril & JDB weren't sexy but defensible. The top 75% of 1st round-rated players are generally safe consensus NHL regulars with varying opinions after that. But Senyshyn was wildly off the radar. Rated as a 3rd rounder & a project. Mid-1st round project picks are not defensible. It was a horrible pick then and an even worse pick now. There were slam dunk picks just sitting there. Why do you think people never stop complaining about it? Because it was a horrible pick. ZS is a bust for where he was picked. 100%. Maybe he'll stick in the league in a bottom 6 role. But there was 0% reason to pick him where they did with lots of picks later. And we are seeing the effects now.
I agree you can’t argue and complain about a missed pick. The problem is three picks in a row in a massive deep draft and the three next picks are turning out to be super stars in this league. Total misfire.There will always have some whining about missed draft pick.
Could whine about almost every pick.
2015 is the biggest forum for the whiners cause three consecutive 1st rounders and players that got drafted afterwards will have much greater career.
When you play what if, you can’t just add.
What if Bruins got Barzal instead of Senyshyn but someone takes Pasta and McAvoy before the Bruins in 14 and 16?
I like this team as it is and while I would gladly add Barzal, I wouldn’t substract either of them for him.
I rather reality than what if.
Whining about 2015 draft or any missed pick is like whining about the 1993 swept loss against May Day. Get over it.
There will always have some whining about missed draft pick.
Could whine about almost every pick.
2015 is the biggest forum for the whiners cause three consecutive 1st rounders and players that got drafted afterwards will have much greater career.
When you play what if, you can’t just add.
What if Bruins got Barzal instead of Senyshyn but someone takes Pasta and McAvoy before the Bruins in 14 and 16?
I like this team as it is and while I would gladly add Barzal, I wouldn’t substract either of them for him.
I rather reality than what if.
Whining about 2015 draft or any missed pick is like whining about the 1993 swept loss against May Day. Get over it.
From what I've read on these boards Barzal showed arrogance and Connor told them he didn't want to play for the Bruins, don't know how valid that info is though.
I agree you can’t argue and complain about a missed pick. The problem is three picks in a row in a massive deep draft and the three next picks are turning out to be super stars in this league. Total misfire.
The problem with the "hindsight is 20/20" line is at the time it wasn't. There was TONS of pushback on their picks AT THE TIME. Zboril & JDB weren't sexy but defensible. The top 75% of 1st round-rated players are generally safe consensus NHL regulars with varying opinions after that. But Senyshyn was wildly off the radar. Rated as a 3rd rounder & a project. Mid-1st round project picks are not defensible. It was a horrible pick then and an even worse pick now. There were slam dunk picks just sitting there. Why do you think people never stop complaining about it? Because it was a horrible pick. ZS is a bust for where he was picked. 100%. Maybe he'll stick in the league in a bottom 6 role. But there was 0% reason to pick him where they did with lots of picks later. And we are seeing the effects now.
Smartest guy in the room syndrome.
Imagine if they had shopped Hamilton harder and got a top 10 if not the Hanifin pick. Calgary was the third of the 3. You get Provorov or Werenski. And then maybe don't blow the 2 in a row.
Per James Mirtle, Sweeney turned down "much higher" 1st round picks than 15th overall for Hamilton. CBJ fans speculated that they may have been one of the teams offering a 1st for Hamilton on their draft thread.
Elliotte Friedman wrote that "things were close with Colorado" on a Hamilton trade. Colorado had the 10th overall pick, and they took Mikko Rantanen. So Sweeney not only reached for DeBrusk and Senyshyn instead of far superior players like Barzal and Connor, he effed up a deal that would've allowed him to select Rantanen. Could've had Rantanen (RW), Barzal (C) and Connor (LW) which would've been an unbelievable 2nd line. But, given the stupidity of Sweeney, Neely and the scouts, they probably would've taken Lawson Crouse over Rantanen.
If Senyshyn had worked out to even JDB level we wouldn't be having this conversation and few would really be complaining and certainly not to this level, so yeah, it is definitely some 20/20 hindsight. By the way, I am not defending the pick- it has turned out suck so far for the Bruins and will almost certainly never be what it could have been. But there was a reason they picked Senyshyn there, and it wasn't because "oh let's prove how smart we are" like some say. That is as indefensible as the pick because I don't imagine there is any evidence that was ever the case. It was just a bad pick based on some kind of faulty reasoning about the team needs and the player himself. Why can't it just be that, and you all can complain about it for the next ten years. Why does it have to be personal attacks on Sweeney or Keith Gretzky or whoever banged the table for ZS?
I'm not sure. But per Mirtle's report, there would only be 2 Canadian teams which had "much higher first rounders than 15th overall" in Edmonton and Toronto. Those teams were never going to trade their picks. Sweeney effed up, plain and simple. I don't buy the idea that Dougie wanted out. Sweeney even admitted that Dougie didn't ask to be moved during his press conference right before the draft. It was likely the Hamilton camp being stubborn on the contract demands and waiting for a bigger offer. We weren't in the best cap situation, and instead of trading a very young and talented D for essentially nothing, Sweeney could've traded Eriksson for cap space. Calgary was also looking for a top 6 forward for the pick we got from them (15th overall), per reports. Calgary had just squeaked into the playoffs after many bad years, and the fans were chomping at the bit for upgrades to their team. Eriksson was starting to come back to form, and he would've fit the bill.IIRC, wasn't one of Dougie's big issues wanting to be in Canada because of his mom's visa issues? If so, that would pretty much rule out the Avs. The Bruins could have made the trade anyway, but did the Avs or anyone else actually want a potential problem player becoming even more of a problem?
Absolutely, and deservedly so. Although DeBrusk is a "hit," he was still a reach and was not BPA. At the time of the draft, Barzal and Connor were viewed as vastly superior players to DeBrusk and Senyshyn. 5 years later, and they're still vastly superior to DeBrusk and Senyshyn. 2 2nd-3rd liner tweeners as opposed to 2 elite young 1st line players? Additionally, 2 players who don't have the consistency issues of the 2 forwards we took? Woof. That was poor scouting and a mismanaged pick by Sweeney, Neely, and the scouts.Unfortunately there would still be complaints.
I'm not sure. But per Mirtle's report, there would only be 2 Canadian teams which had "much higher first rounders than 15th overall" in Edmonton and Toronto. Those teams were never going to trade their picks. Sweeney effed up, plain and simple. I don't buy the idea that Dougie wanted out. Sweeney even admitted that Dougie didn't ask to be moved during his press conference right before the draft. It was likely the Hamilton camp being stubborn on the contract demands and waiting for a bigger offer. We weren't in the best cap situation, and instead of trading a very young and talented D for essentially nothing, Sweeney could've traded Eriksson for cap space. Calgary was also looking for a top 6 forward for the pick we got from them (15th overall), per reports. Calgary had just squeaked into the playoffs after many bad years, and the fans were chomping at the bit for upgrades to their team. Eriksson was starting to come back to form, and he would've fit the bill.
I totally agree and I posted something similar in the first thread. This smells like the typical Bruins PR BS to try and justify the stupidity of the front office. We've seen this time and time again.
I'd also add, a team that missed the playoffs on the last game of the season in which the team had some incredibly bad luck and our D was decimated with injuries. Chara missed a quarter of the season and Krejci only played in 47 games. If we had a fraction of the injuries on our blueline and Krejci doesn't get injured or just plays 15 more games, that team would've clinched a playoff spot at least a week before the season ends and could've been a dangerous lower seed.