Value of: Parayko
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I'll remind you how it works. Leafs fans come in and offer something that nobody on the other side wants, then lecture them about unrealistic asks. But something tells me that type of "realistic" offer doesn't go over very well in Nylander trade threads....
He was one player on a good blues team and lots of junior players with stronger resumes have average careers... Some other notable memorial cup MVPs in the last decade include Sam steel, Dylan Strome, Edgar kulda and Michael Chaput Shawinigain. Such HOF class right there. What's he done as a NHL besides shotgun on a good blues team?
The entire premise of this thread is that Parayko is the odd man out to accommodate Pietrangelo.
and only toronto can make an offer? with your top prospects off the table the offer will beaten easily by one of the other 29 teams.
Understood, but it is a bad premise. The Blues have lots of other options available to make space for Pietrangelo.
How much more "blue chip" do you think you can get than 15th OA and Liljegren? Just because those names are thrown out there quite often by Leafs fans, doesn't make them any less valuable.
Remember, the teams that have top 10 picks typically are not very good. They're not 1-2 pieces away from contending, and aren't going to trade one or multiple of those high end pieces with 7 years of upside for a guy who's in his prime, and a UFA in 2 years.
If you look at this year's draft; you might be able to convince Buffalo, Minnesota or Winnipeg to move their picks.... but 8 is likely the highest you're going to go; and personally I think it's a stretch. We are entering an era where the cap could be flat for 3-4-5 years. High end picks, and the ELCs they turn into, are going to be incredibly valuable. The concept of trading one/multiple of those to add a $5.5m player is short sighted, to say the least.
I also doubt any of those teams is also going to include a former 17th OA right shot defenceman that's ready to break into the NHL.
Nobody is going to include their #1 prospect for him... teams just generally don't do that.... unless they really have absolutely no focus on developing youth.
It's not a case where "Parayko isn't good enough" -- it's simply a reality that teams generally do not trade the 1-2 guys that they are "highest on".
Gotta remember that ultimately, trades involve people, and individual assessments of a player. Taking the Leafs as an example, if you ascertain that the Blues need/want/will get an NHL-ready prospect defenceman as part of the deal... you've got Sandin & Liljegren.
In Sandin, you have Kyle Dubas' first draft pick. A guy that played for Dubas' junior team. A guy that has done nothing but impress since being drafted 29th OA. You want him? Well Kyle Dubas REALLY doesn't want to trade him, which means that even if you convince him to, you're not going to get much else out of the deal.
In Liljegren, you've got somebody who was drafted by the old guy. He hasn't quite impressed as much, and is likely in need of a change of scenery. Yeah, you'll trade him to get Parayko, and you'll also include the 15th
OA. On paper, 15th OA and Liljegren is certainly more value, it's more upside, but it allows the GM to keep the guy who he's emotionally attached to. Armstrong doesn't have an attachment to either of the players -- so everyone goes away happy.
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We could trade Bozak, Schwartz, Steen, Gunnarsson, etc. We might have to sweeten the pot to move some of them, but it would be better than trading Parayko.
Look buddy if you or your team doesn't want to offer what is needed another team will. Its just that simple esoecially for a unicorn like parayko.
Bouchard (better than liljgren) lavoie 14ova
That so far is the deal to beat. Also ottowa put out there 5ova +. So you lose the bid
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It also defeats the purpose of having to trade parsyko to free up space youvare adding 4 mil not subtracting 5+
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I was simply pointing out Toronto does have assets St. Louis would be interested in, and responding to your comment, “Just close it. Toronto doesn't have anything that interests me for Paryako.”
He has also seemed to have fallen out of favor with Leafs fans vs. this time last year.
Of course Steen is going to have to go. But after that, those deals will begin to hurt a lot more than moving Parayko -- especially considering they'll be without Tarasenko for a good chunk of the year.
Go float that on the Edmonton board and see what they think... Bouchard is likely going to step in this year and fill an immediate need for them at $900k.
As for Ottawa, anyone that thinks they're going to part with a 5th OA to pay a guy $5.5m to walk in 2 years is completely out to lunch. The Sens are going to do what they always do and look for value pickups -- whether they can get somebody to compensate them for taking on a high-cap hit / low salary player (Steen comes to mind); or somebody in the 22-25 year old range that they can acquire for mid-round picks, and best case have a long term player, worst case, have some deadline pieces to move in a year or two.
Maybe not, that's why you're also likely to get a 15th OA and a roster forward.
Right but he is more than enough with 15 ova for parayko plus a crap throw in lol.
Yes a roster forward we dont need nor want and that makes the point of trading parayko for cap purposes moot
So an edmfans that are ok with that here dont matter cause you want to offer beans for one of the best rhd . Sounds about right. Bro just stop your bad offer will be out done by 29 other teams. No need to be bhurt about it.
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