Rumor: Parayko to the Leafs

LeafsNation75

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Elliotte Friedman reported that the Leafs wouldn't part with Sandin or Liljegren for Muzzin:

Maple Leafs not willing to trade prospects Sandin, Liljegren for rental - Sportsnet.ca

Then you have fan sites with guys like Mike Augello flipping the story saying Kings wanted Durzi over Liljegren. Which frankly makes no sense because Durzi was in the OHL at the time as a super overager at 20 and in year 4 of juniors and Liljegren was already in year 2 of AHL development, not to mention a higher pick with pedigree. Why would anyone rank Durzi ahead of Liljegren?

HockeyBuzz.com - Mike Augello - Dubas refused surrendering Sandin in Muzzin deal; Interview w/Bill Watters
Is it people like Mike Augello why some Leafs haters on the National Hockey League Talk forums were overrating Durzi and claiming how Dubas screwed up trading him when he writes something like that? Prior to the trade other then Leafs fans I doubt fans of other teams even knew anything about Durzi and all of the sudden they started to claim he's very good, even though he was not even in the top 5 of Leafs prospects at the time.
 
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The article clearly indicates the Leafs were not willing to part with Sandin and Liljegren for a rental, which is what Muzzin essentially was.

Muzzin was not a rental. That was the major selling point that Dubas gave for going after a D like him.

Here is what we know for sure:

Insiders on HNIC (including Friedman) said on January 20th (during the time that Dubas was talks with LA and others) that in the search to fix their D problems Sandin and Kapanen were off limits - and said that would mean that the Leafs' first and Liljegren were available.

After the trade for Muzzin, Mike Augello repeated this on January 30th in the link you posted to:
Reports earlier this month stated the Leafs would not include Sandin or Kapanen in any deal for a defenseman and potential deals for blueline help with Carolina and St. Louis were likely going to have to include someone off the NHL roster.
The Leafs were open to moving Liljegren, their 2019 first rounder or Bracco, but the Kings opted for Durzi over Liljegren (Toronto’s 2017 top pick) in part because scouts are currently down on the Swedish blueliner.

On January 31st Friedman said in his 31 thoughts:
Los Angeles and Toronto sparred over 2019 first-rounder Rasmus Sandin. The Maple Leafs told anyone who asked they did not want to include him, and held firm. They did, however, remain Muzzin’s most consistent and aggressive pursuer. Montreal and Tampa Bay were in the picture at times, with the Canadiens trying to get him in the aborted Pacioretty deal. I was initially surprised that Timothy Liljegren wasn’t included. But, after looking deeper, teams are down on him right now. He’s not yet 20 — way too soon to give up — but several scouts were not surprised the Kings chose OHL Guelph’s Sean Durzi over Liljegren.

On February 9th from the SportsNet article you posted to Friedman said that Leafs' wanted to add more before the deadline - the forward Ferland being someone they were pursuing - but that in this case they were only looking for a rental. Muzzin was not a rental. If the Leafs are looking to make a trade for someone like Parayko or Ekblad they would be willing to trade assets that they would not be willing to trade for a lesser player and rental. After the Muzzin trade, when the Leafs were just looking for a rental, Liljegren was added to the list of assets the Leafs' were not willing to trade.

You are free to believe that he was part of it before, but Darkknight said he was looking for evidence. The only evidence we have is Friedman saying that LA did not want him. On this forum that has switched to the opposite.

It makes no sense that any team would have preferred Durzi because he was an inferior prospect then with an inferior draft rank while being older, and 1.5 years later, he's still behind Liljegren.

The article does not indicate that Liljegren for Durzi would have been one-for-one. In trades it is rarely the case that a team will have a choice between two prospects without other aspects of the deal changing. These negotiations take place over a long period of time. In the case of the Muzzin trade talks happened over the course of a month. It is likely that if LA agreed to Liljegren that the rest of package would have been less than the additional pieces for a trade with Durzi.

Friedman was completely correct that teams were down on Liljegren at the time. Despite Dubas singing Liljegren's praises about his play in the fall in the weeks before the trade, after the season was over both Dubas and Keefe had said that in the fall Liljegren had played badly and was costing the Marlies games. Mirtle and Wheeler at The Athletic both feel that Liljegren is unlikely to top out above being a third pairing D. Durzi is unlikely to be a full-time NHLer but the trade also included a 1st and Grundstrom. We don't know what a package that included Liljegren would have also included because according to Friedman LA did want not it.

Draft position means little after the draft. Sometimes a late bloomer has a better chance than a early drafted player who peaks earlier. The Kings' would certainly know that. In 2007 they drafted future star Thomas Hickey 4th overall. He never played a game for LA (but was eventually a 3rd pairing D for NYI). 137 spots later they drafted Jake Muzzin.
 

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I mean, Liljegren is a complete long shot too at this point. If he doesn't play a good portion of the next year on the Leafs he's a bust
At the time of the Muzzin trade when everyone found it Dubas didn't have to give up Liljegren and the reports were how the Kings wanted Durzi instead of him, Liljegren was well ahead of him in terms of rankings for the Leafs prospects.
 

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At the time of the Muzzin trade when everyone found it Dubas didn't have to give up Liljegren and the reports were how the Kings wanted Durzi instead of him, Liljegren was well ahead of him in terms of rankings for the Leafs prospects.

So what?
 

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My point is you think Rob Blake or someone from the Kings scouting staff would wanted wanted Liljegren instead of Durzi since he was the better Leafs prospect at that time when the Muzzin trade was made. So that whole story how they wanted Durzi more seemed to be an excuse to justify the trade from their point of view.
 
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That 15 pick gets a good player for starters. It will be a good pick and it could be a top 4 defenseman or a top six forward. It could even be a goalie because Askarov is that highly respected. Thats a pick that is good. I was not even paying attention to this draft until recently when we got this 15 pick.

This draft is deep a bit beyond that 15 pick. I wouldn’t mind keeping it atleast until draft day unless it’s part of a deal like this with the blues or ducks etc.

Kind of seems its been minimized for its value so far this thread. The Blues are in a crunch. Pietrangelo wants to stay there so they need space to sign him.

it’s a potential trade. Thats about it for what we know.
 
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Notsince67

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To be fair Rasmus Sandin also didn't play against Columbus in the qualifying series and even when Jake Muzzin got injured they had Martin Marincin replace him.
Kind of interesting that the leafs choose a player that can clear waivers time and time again over a kid like Sandin. With decisions like that, we wonder why the d looks so bad.
 

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My point is you think Rob Blake or someone from the Kings scouting staff would wanted wanted Liljegren instead of Durzi since he was the better Leafs prospect at that time when the Muzzin trade was made. So that whole story how they wanted Durzi more seemed to be an excuse to justify the trade from their point of view.

Your point relies on a faulty belief of how trades are negotiated. Rob Blake didn't need to believe that Durzi was a better prospect than Liljegren. All Rob Blake had to say was that he was not interested in Liljegren at the value Dubas was placing him at.
 

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Yet he was deemed unfit to play for the playing round. Seems worrisome

Though the way its been used by teams its a blanket term used for injuries to potenfial covid exposure.

Not to say that everything is fine, just that without more info hard to read too much into just yet
 

Notsince67

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Though the way its been used by teams its a blanket term used for injuries to potenfial covid exposure.

Not to say that everything is fine, just that without more info hard to read too much into just yet
He was in the building watching practice which seems to exclude covid
 

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