Rumor: Parayko to the Leafs

[ITM]

No source at all was provided, and as per first mod post in the thread none have been given.

likely mods kept it up because there is nothing else to talk about, but doesn’t mean those who visit the boards less frequently need to be tricked into clicking yet another garbage trade proposal disguising as a “rumor”

Re: Links and Sources...Seems a reasonable application of the tag: Rumor. It also doesn't seem to be what the member disagreed with. I didn't read anything (from the quote) redefining the word itself, which was the sticking point for the other member. The quote distinguishes the source of the rumor from the definition of rumor itself in the manner exampled i.e. Bob McKenzie.

Perhaps I missed an earlier point, but is it safe to say HFBoards doesn't use a different definition of the word rumor?

Appreciate the find and reply.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I'm reading through this thread and I see people talking hockey all getting along and then you? You sound as if you are going to take you ball home now?

find where i chimed in and work backward

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Perhaps I missed an earlier point, but is it safe to say HFBoards doesn't use a different definition of the word rumor?

the poster highlighted that definition of rumour has unknown source. rumour on this board requires a source.

i don’t know why you’re struggling so much and dragging it out.

 

[ACC1224]

What seems more preferable, Parayko at the price being discussed or Pietrangelo as UFA?

 

[DarkKnight]

What seems more preferable, Parayko at the price being discussed or Pietrangelo as UFA?

You get Parayko for two more years at about 3 mil less than Piet will be, plus you’re trading cap space back in a Parayko trade, so even more “room”.. Given this team’s predicament I think Parayko is a more reasonable add, not as good obviously, but...

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

What seems more preferable, Parayko at the price being discussed or Pietrangelo as UFA?

I would take the better and free asset. Then you definitely have to move Kerfoot/Johnsson but you would be adding assets for the future while keeping your best two young defensemen.

 

[therealkoho]

reading through this thread has me kind of baffled tbh, in it I've learned that Colton has been an NHL All-star(all rookie team sure but all-star?), he's the superest ever Dman to ever play in the NHL, he's obviously better then any Leafs D currently on the roster.

Baffled? why baffled, because I've seen him play, he's definitely good, but he just doesn't seem to dominate games

He's definitely a top 30 Dman, heck maybe even top 20, and yes, he most definitely makes the Leafs blueline one of the formidable bluelines in the east, but that's one of, not the only one.

I'd love for the Leafs to be able to acquire him, he would definitely become a part of the solution, but they'd still have a long way to go before being able to stand with the elite of the east

I've been watching the Stars/Avs series, wowzers what great hockey, even with a guy like Parayko I wouldn't have any confidence that the Leafs could beat either one of those teams in a 7 game series, same goes for the Lightning, Jackets, and possibly Caps, Isles and B's in a 7 game series!

 

[Bluelines]

Re: Links and Sources...Seems a reasonable application of the tag: Rumor. It also doesn't seem to be what the member disagreed with. I didn't read anything (from the quote) redefining the word itself, which was the sticking point for the other member. The quote distinguishes the source of the rumor from the definition of rumor itself in the manner exampled i.e. Bob McKenzie.

Perhaps I missed an earlier point, but is it safe to say HFBoards doesn't use a different definition of the word rumor?

Appreciate the find and reply.

While your attempting to illustrate the fallacy of his thought process, he just will choose what ever will allow him to believe he is right. You wont get the answer you are looking for.

 

[Buds17]

What seems more preferable, Parayko at the price being discussed or Pietrangelo as UFA?

I'd like to say Pietrangelo. Additional cap room has to be made, but NHLers would be dealt for that... hopefully without including a prospect on an ELC and a high pick. A lot depends on the players that would have to be moved, what those trades look like, and the contract given to Pietrangelo. He'd be more expensive than Parayko. He'd also figure to be signed for a longer term compared to what's left on Parayko's deal.

 

[BayStBullies]

9 pages based off something pulled out of the ass.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd like to say Pietrangelo. Additional cap room has to be made, but NHLers would be dealt for that... hopefully without including a prospect on an ELC and a high pick. A lot depends on the players that would have to be moved, what those trades look like, and the contract given to Pietrangelo. He'd be more expensive than Parayko. He'd also figure to be signed for a longer term compared to what's left on Parayko's deal.

Pretty much my thoughts. Tough call, I think I lean toward Parayko at the moment but would be delighted with either.

I would assume if Parayko was obtained he would be here long term, most likely longer than Pietrangelo.

 

[Buds17]

Pretty much my thoughts. Tough call, I think I lean toward Parayko at the moment but would be delighted with either.

I would assume if Parayko was obtained he would be here long term, most likely longer than Pietrangelo.

The team should definitely have a solid plan in mind to retain Parayko for his next contract if they are willing to trade away what it would take to acquire him. It will be interesting to see which of these two actually reaches his respective market (UFA or trade).

 

[ACC1224]

The team should definitely have a solid plan to retain Parayko for his next contract if they are willing to trade away what it would take to acquire him. It will be interesting to see which of these two actually reaches his respective market (UFA or trade).

IMO, they will find another way to manage their cap and both will play for the Blues next year.
Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Buds17]

IMO, they will find another way to manage their cap and both will play for the Blues next year.
Hope I'm wrong.

Anything is possible. I just don't know how realistic it would be for them to continue to have an RHD on their off hand side. Certainly shouldn't play any of them on the third pairing.

 

[Holymakinaw]

I've seen it from multiple sources that are some what reputable some not so reputable. Seems like a gross underpayment by the Leafs.



Johnnson (Drafted 7th round, 202 overall) CH $3,400,000 ( Expires after 2022-23 season)
Liljegren (Drafted 1st round, 17th overall) CH $863k (expires after 2021-22 season)
2020 1st Round (15th overall)

for

Parayko (3rd round , 86th overall) CH $5,500,000 (Expires after 2021-22 season)

LMAO.

What a load of crap.

 

[MLSE]

We have to move space yes but it's not a benefit to a Parayko trade since we can get value back for basically all of our roster players that we would move out in a trade with the Blues.

Id still like to get Parayko but Pietrangelo plus assets from roster players traded sounds intriguing to me.

 

[TML1967]

Pretty much my thoughts. Tough call, I think I lean toward Parayko at the moment but would be delighted with either.

I would assume if Parayko was obtained he would be here long term, most likely longer than Pietrangelo.

IMO it comes down to 'whats the best asset move'.

If you bring in Pietr and need to move multiple contracts out, what is the value of what your getting back?
In a flat cap world, when other teams know you need to shed $, the value you get back will be low I assume. You could always risk it and trade the guys before the contract is signed, but thats a game of Russian Roulette.

Parayako costs known assets for now, which make it harder to bring in/replenish the team with cheap contracts throughout the length of the big 4's contracts.
Easiest way to offset having a few massive contracts is to keep your pipeline filled with 'plug and play' guys on ELC's or low contracts.
You can always still move out a contract or two to get more young assets, but may get better deals as you wont be as painted into a corner.

Parayako being a few million cheaper for the next few years also means you can probably add an additional good UFA D in free agency.

So is it...
Pieterangelo
+ Whatever we get for a AJ/Kerfoot/Engval/Freddie, with deflated values
- Whatever it costs to replace them
vs
Parayako
- The assets it costs to acquire him
+An additional UFA D?

Its a hard equation IMO to properly weigh out until you have a general understanding of what AJ/Kerfoot/Engval could get, and the cost of finding a replacement for those rolls.
Its probably easier for a GM to make some assumptions around what UFA mid/depth D men will get than the value of your guys once the cap squeeze is public.

This is what I assume the Leafs are internally trying to quantify right now.

• Are we trading AJ/Engvall regardless of return? If so, when is the best time to do so to get maximized value (before trade? before free agency)
• What hinders our ability to move Kerfoot/Freddie? What is the cost (in FA or a trade) to find a adequate replacement, and what does that look like?
• Is our D core inherently better off running Pietro-Holl-Liljgren or Parayako - Holl - UFA D? How about in two years when Parayako gets a raise?
• Does having a UFA D help Sandins development? How do you value Liljgren next year on an ELC vs a vet UFA guy at 3m? Is giving them both 3rd pairing time possible, and if not, who gets priority?

 

[DarkKnight]

I would take the better and free asset. Then you definitely have to move Kerfoot/Johnsson but you would be adding assets for the future while keeping your best two young defensemen.

Considering we traded away a first rounder to move cap space last year, I'm not sure this idea of "free" in a cap world is correct.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Parayko would be a huge, welcome addition. Giving up Sandin or Liljegren in the package would hurt for sure, but Parayko could transform the team into a real contender.

 

[Mickey Marner]

What seems more preferable, Parayko at the price being discussed or Pietrangelo as UFA?

We would have to shed $ either way, I'd rather trade for Parayko. His next deal likely won't be too much more (~7 million or so) as he won't get enough PP time to racks up points, similar to Muzzin.

 

[Faltorvo]

That's kinda ike If/Once we have made the cap space lol

No ,,,we literally have the cap space right now to sign him

 

[ACC1224]

Blues have started clearing space.

Montreal Canadiens acquire G Jake Allen from St. Louis Blues - TSN.ca

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Blues have started clearing space.

Montreal Canadiens acquire G Jake Allen from St. Louis Blues - TSN.ca

I had 3-4 people criticize me that this wouldn't happen when I suggested they will be clearing a ton of cap...

Feels good.