Rumor: Ozhiganov

[Kiwi]

I think Carlson's next contract is going to start with a 7, maybe even an 8 but if it gets there it's instantly regrettable for the team.

Most of those UFA deals are

My advice would be
Don't get involved on July 1st, wait and go bargain shopping a couple of days after the first rush

 

[Man Bear Pig]

yeah but it's hard to say how to get one. we need to keep our offensive core intact for the most part, as it's what gives us an advantage over other teams

I agree. This is where prospects and picks need to be used. Think of what the picks used on Boyle and Plekanec could have gotten us if packaged together. Suddenly you're looking at what it'd cost to get a player like Tanev whose impact would be much greater than some rental 4th line center.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Most of those UFA deals are

My advice would be
Don't get involved on July 1st, wait and go bargain shopping a couple of days after the first rush

2 of my main targets are Greg Pateryn (likely could go 1 year at 950k-1.25M) and Antoine Roussell ideally on a 1 year contract. Offensively he had a poor year but he's great defensively and would make us harder to play against.

I don't think they solve our centre depth issues or right side defense issues. I don't think Ozhiganov will either but generally top 6-9C or top 4D go in the first day or so in free agency. Plus the interview period really solidifies things now.

I wonder what gets leaked now with a new GM coming in?

 

[Kiwi]

2 of my main targets are Greg Pateryn (likely could go 1 year at 950k-1.25M) and Antoine Roussell ideally on a 1 year contract. Offensively he had a poor year but he's great defensively and would make us harder to play against.

I don't think they solve our centre depth issues or right side defense issues. I don't think Ozhiganov will either but generally top 6-9C or top 4D go in the first day or so in free agency. Plus the interview period really solidifies things now.

I wonder what gets leaked now with a new GM coming in?

I hope we stay tight lipped still, that's one thing I really like about Lou, our ability to not air our business in the media like the "good old days"

I wouldn't mind those two guys on cheap deals but the 3C and top 4 RD holes are going to take some sorting

We've got cap space but we've only got it for one year so we have some wiggle room but it ends quickly

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

2 of my main targets are Greg Pateryn (likely could go 1 year at 950k-1.25M) and Antoine Roussell ideally on a 1 year contract. Offensively he had a poor year but he's great defensively and would make us harder to play against.

I don't think they solve our centre depth issues or right side defense issues. I don't think Ozhiganov will either but generally top 6-9C or top 4D go in the first day or so in free agency. Plus the interview period really solidifies things now.

I wonder what gets leaked now with a new GM coming in?

i'd rather let our winger spots go to our young players like Kapanen and Johnsson. Target centers and RHD outside the organization

 

[WTFMAN99]

I hope we stay tight lipped still, that's one thing I really like about Lou, our ability to not air our business in the media like the "good old days"

I wouldn't mind those two guys on cheap deals but the 3C and top 4 RD holes are going to take some sorting

We've got cap space but we've only got it for one year so we have some wiggle room but it ends quickly

Thornton seems to be about the only quality centre you might be able to grab on a 1 year (Expensive) deal.

Carlson in UFA is likely a 7x7 deal...after that the trade market is competitive.

Beagle and Brodziak are plans A and B for me for 4C.

i'd rather let our winger spots go to our young players like Kapanen and Johnsson. Target centers and RHD outside the organization

It will be tough for sure.

 

[moon111]

Gardiner is like a door the opposition knows to knock on. Sooner or later, you'll be let in. You draw-up entire battle-plans based on how to exploit him.
You really need a strong partner for Gardiner who can excel at dealing with someone who may or may not reliably do their job defensively.

 

[Anthrax442]

Is Carlson that good, really? I know he gets points, but is he good defensively? If he is, then pay him, get him in. Heinsey cannot play these minutes, especially not if they want to get into the playoffs.
Ozhi is a luxury if he pans out.

 

[highslot]

Bring on Polak’s replacement, don’t care if it’s this guy or someone else

oz could do it, but even holl looked better in a few games. good position, better break out passes and physical.

 

[81Leafs50]

Currently Leafs defense has the following players Reilly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Hainsey, and Dermott. Carrick and Polak are free agents, Carrick being an RFA. So I assume those two are gone.

Reilly has 4 years left at $5M
Zaitsev has 6 years left at $4.5M
Dermott has 2 years left at $863,333

Gradiner has 1 year left at $4.05M (UFA)
Hainsey has 1 more year at $3M (UFA)

Let the young kids play next season. Borgman, Rosen, and Liljegren can make the jump, Leafs need any two of these guys to play. If things go well then Gardiner and Hainsey are UFA's you keep to make a run or if the season goes bad you trade them at the deadline.

Use that 7+M of Gardiner and Hainsey and sign a stud dman (Doughty being a UFA next July 1). If the stud guy doesn't become available then you use the cap space somewhere else.

The Leafs can always take a page out of the Golden Knights approach to creating a solid dcore, right?

Leafs have tons of options. Specially with guys from over seas. If they come cheap then why not give them a shot. Borgman and Rosen make $925,000. if they are busts you don't lose anything as they just play on the Marlies.

 

[Anthrax442]

Doughty is not coming here

 

[Fogelhund]

Is Carlson that good, really? I know he gets points, but is he good defensively? If he is, then pay him, get him in. Heinsey cannot play these minutes, especially not if they want to get into the playoffs.
Ozhi is a luxury if he pans out.

Carlson is very good, maybe even in the elite category, for preventing zone entries. He plays 2:38 a game on the PK for Washington, and Washington was the fifth ranked PK in the league this past year. Carlson averaged 24:47 a game this year, 13th highest in the NHL. 146 blocked shots... more than anyone on the Leafs, except Hainsey.

The modern day defenceman’s role as a neutral zone play driver - Sportsnet.ca

Excels at Neutral Zone Play drive. He's the one under the Calgary logo, Top Right quadrant.

https://assets1.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-30-at-11.42.27-AM.png

Carlson on the PP

John Carlson & Caps Shot Share - Rotoworld.com

On Zone entry


On what makes John Carlson so good at defending the blue line

 

[Liminality]

Carlson is very good, maybe even in the elite category, for preventing zone entries. He plays 2:38 a game on the PK for Washington, and Washington was the fifth ranked PK in the league this past year. Carlson averaged 24:47 a game this year, 13th highest in the NHL. 146 blocked shots... more than anyone on the Leafs, except Hainsey.

The modern day defenceman’s role as a neutral zone play driver - Sportsnet.ca

Excels at Neutral Zone Play drive. He's the one under the Calgary logo, Top Right quadrant.

https://assets1.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-30-at-11.42.27-AM.png

Carlson on the PP

John Carlson & Caps Shot Share - Rotoworld.com

On Zone entry


On what makes John Carlson so good at defending the blue line

The main point against him is he doesn't face as good competition as other defenders on the Caps. His defense is getting underrated around here though since he puts up those kind of offensive numbers. I still think he'd do just fine on a top line with Rielly and I think he'd fit like a glove on our roster. The only issue is can we minimize the amount of cap he'd get on our team.

 

[Fogelhund]

The main point against him is he doesn't face as good competition as other defenders on the Caps. His defense is getting underrated around here though since he puts up those kind of offensive numbers. I still think he'd do just fine on a top line with Rielly and I think he'd fit like a glove on our roster. The only issue is can we minimize the amount of cap he'd get on our team.

Personally, I'd think a lineup of

Rielly Tanev
Dermott Carlson

Would be the way go.... Tanev can let Rielly be more attacking... Dermott is very good defensively as well, and can cover for Carlson some...

 

[al secord]

Doughty is not coming here

He is.

 

[Boutette]

Personally, I'd think a lineup of

Rielly Tanev
Dermott Carlson

Would be the way go.... Tanev can let Rielly be more attacking... Dermott is very good defensively as well, and can cover for Carlson some...

You mean Reilly Tanev (or whoever will play the other 40 games and the playoffs when Tanev is injured.)

 

[DowntownConnorBrown]

win win situation at beast he'll play for the leafs at worst he'll play for the marlies or the solar bears if he's absolutely horrible

 

[Fogelhund]

You mean Reilly Tanev (or whoever will play the other 40 games and the playoffs when Tanev is injured.)

How very original. Think of this all on your own?

 

[Maplebeasts]

How very original. Think of this all on your own?

He's not wrong. Tanev has only broken 70 gp in a season once in his 8 year NHL career. He has only played 60 games or more 3 times in his career. Why should we pay a high price for such a big risk?

 

[Fogelhund]

He's not wrong. Tanev has only broken 70 gp in a season once in his 8 year NHL career. He has only played 60 games or more 3 times in his career. Why should we pay a high price for such a big risk?

Do you really think, that anybody having a conversation about Tanev, is unaware of the player he is, and his history?

It's like saying.. hey, we're are going downhill skiing... and you reply, but did you know there will be snow on the ground?

We aren't talking about earth shattering breaking news here.

If Tanev were a 82 game player, with his capabilities, we'd be talking about Marner or Nylander, Lily and a first.... to obtain him. Nobody is talking about that, and even Vancouver fans wouldn't.

He's a first round pick, and a couple of conditional picks based on games played... up to 2018 1st, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd... if he player more than 60 or 70 games. Shared risk.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Do you really think, that anybody having a conversation about Tanev, is unaware of the player he is, and his history?

It's like saying.. hey, we're are going downhill skiing... and you reply, but did you know there will be snow on the ground?

We aren't talking about earth shattering breaking news here.

If Tanev were a 82 game player, with his capabilities, we'd be talking about Marner or Nylander, Lily and a first.... to obtain him. Nobody is talking about that, and even Vancouver fans wouldn't.

He's a first round pick, and a couple of conditional picks based on games played... up to 2018 1st, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd... if he player more than 60 or 70 games. Shared risk.

That first package you suggested seems ridiculous to me. Stay at home top pairing defensemen do not cost 20-21 year old proven first liners with elite potential, a first round pick and a top prospect. What I'm arguing is that with his history we should not be willing to pay the price Vancouver wants. With how good ur scouting and development has been since Hunter and Dubas came, the Leafs could already have the answer in Liljegren, or a player they draft within the next few years. The best thing about not overpaying for players with red flags is that having good scouting and development will often get you a player near that calibre for free if you have the patience.

 

[Fogelhund]

That first package you suggested seems ridiculous to me. Stay at home top pairing defensemen do not cost 20-21 year old proven first liners with elite potential, a first round pick and a top prospect. What I'm arguing is that with his history we should not be willing to pay the price Vancouver wants. With how good ur scouting and development has been since Hunter and Dubas came, the Leafs could already have the answer in Liljegren, or a player they draft within the next few years. The best thing about not overpaying for players with red flags is that having good scouting and development will often get you a player near that calibre for free if you have the patience.

Liljegren a replacement for Tanev?

At his best, Liljegren could hope to be a Right Handed Gardiner, but so far isn't near as good defensively. Five games in the playoffs for the Marlies, no points, and a minus Five so far.

Tanev as you say, defensive specialist, they are nothing alike, and nowhere near a replacement.

Our team needs an offensive specialist D, who is weak defensively like a hole in the head.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Liljegren a replacement for Tanev?

At his best, Liljegren could hope to be a Right Handed Gardiner, but so far isn't near as good defensively. Five games in the playoffs for the Marlies, no points, and a minus Five so far.

Tanev as you say, defensive specialist, they are nothing alike, and nowhere near a replacement.

Our team needs an offensive specialist D, who is weak defensively like a hole in the head.

What about the other 44 games he played with the Marlies? Who are you to gauge his ceiling when you don't even know that his game evolved this year defensively (your last sentence I doubt anyone following the Marlies would agree with you, as he's not an offensive specialist). He was an 18 year old playing his first season on North American in one of the world's best hockey leagues and the second best on the continent. His year all in all has been a resounding success. When Tanev was 18 he wasn't even a successful OPJHL player with little to no believers in his pro potential.

 

[deletethis]

Stop falling for the propaganda about Tanev! He's a decent journeyman who should be virtually worthless because he's paid at least $1.5M too much for what he delivers.

 

[Fogelhund]

What about the other 44 games he played with the Marlies? Who are you to gauge his ceiling when you don't even know that his game evolved this year defensively (your last sentence I doubt anyone following the Marlies would agree with you, as he's not an offensive specialist). He was an 18 year old playing his first season on North American in one of the world's best hockey leagues and the second best on the continent. His year all in all has been a resounding success. When Tanev was 18 he wasn't even a successful OPJHL player with little to no believers in his pro potential.

He's most certainly never going to be a Tanev... which overall is a very good thing, but to claim one is a replacement for the other......