Ovechkin passes Selanne,Super Mario,Yzerman and Messier for career goals. 2 more for 700 goal club.

[Susannah]

It is quite interesting that the Capitals play the Penguins in two plus weeks. I doubt Pittsburgh will congratulate Ovechkin if he passes Lemieux there. Then again, the Capitals did classy thing for the victims in Pittsburgh couple years ago so you never know.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

Ha. That it will. Would prefer Mario to stay ahead but if someone is gonna pass him, glad its Ovi.

He's back and with a 4pt night. Wooo.

Hit the ground running.

Will Lemieux congratulate Ovie? Hope so.

 

[Confused Turnip]

It is quite interesting that the Capitals play the Penguins in two plus weeks. I doubt Pittsburgh will congratulate Ovechkin if he passes Lemieux there. Then again, the Capitals did classy thing for the victims in Pittsburgh couple years ago so you never know.

That game is in Washington. Hopefully Lemieux is in attendance.

 

[Fallschirmyager]

I remember his hype pre 2006 season, it was after the lockout and people were just excited to have hockey back, but I didn't realize he would be such a goal scoring force, being a huge fan of Bure as a kid I hoped he would be as good as Bure.

I used to visit a site called Thunderpuck and I remember all the hype surrounding OV, but Crosby had a higher hype (rightfully so)

I also remember "the goal" he scored against the yotes.

Crazy that's so long ago

I was able to make it to his first practice. He was passing players skating backwards that were skating forward. His shot was pretty evident from the start as well.

Yeah, elite playmaking has zero influence on getting the puck into the net.

gonna disagree with that. Nobody expects anything but a shot from Ovy. Gretzky or Lemieux? Guess.

 

[Strangle]

Ovi chasing Gretzky is (and has been for a couple years) the most exciting story in hockey.

Gretzky’s scoring records have always looked so ridiculous that even to be as close as Ovi is, is actually amazing. The fact that he has an outside chance to beat it? It’s a pleasure to have been alive to watch them both.

I’m pulling for The Great 8!

 

[usiel]

My brain has a hard time of processing the names that AO is passing here.

 

[Phrazer]

Generational Talent

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Hit the ground running.

Will Lemieux congratulate Ovie? Hope so.

Uhh .. hmm. Good question actually. I hadn't even thought about that.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Actually it's top 2.
NHL & WHA Single Season Leaders and Records for Adjusted Goals | Hockey-Reference.com

I don't put to much stock into Adjusted goals. I think it's a BS stat.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Pass Jagr and i will consider him the greatest goal scorer ever. Accounting for averages in the 80's and how much easier it was to score. A few more seasons with 40+ and hes got the title whether he passes Wayne for not, hes probably the greatest sniper in NHL history.

 

[FreddyX]

That will really hit home with a lot of people (albeit with a lot more games played than the great Lemieux). He will be in the top 10 at that point yes?

Top 10 at what?

 

[gtrower]

Top 10 at what?

He’s implying overall. But I think you already knew that.

 

[wetcoast]

It is quite interesting that the Capitals play the Penguins in two plus weeks. I doubt Pittsburgh will congratulate Ovechkin if he passes Lemieux there. Then again, the Capitals did classy thing for the victims in Pittsburgh couple years ago so you never know.

That's in 6 games, they have 5 games before that and that Pens game is in Washington, why would the Pens players stop to congratulate Ovechkin for passing Mario to be in 10th place all time?

 

[wetcoast]

Pass Jagr and i will consider him the greatest goal scorer ever. Accounting for averages in the 80's and how much easier it was to score. A few more seasons with 40+ and hes got the title whether he passes Wayne for not, hes probably the greatest sniper in NHL history.

Why would he need to pass Jagr?

He is already considered by many, including myself, as the greatest goal scorer of all time.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Why would he need to pass Jagr?

He is already considered by many, including myself, as the greatest goal scorer of all time.

Because sitting as number 3 behind Gretzky and Howe for goals will solidify his position even more. Jagr played a big chunk of hockey in the dead puck era and had monster offensive seasons. So the argument about goal scoring on Wayne's end being much easier in the 80's does not hold up as much when you compare it to someone like Jagr. Also considering Jagr took 3 years off from NHL hockey and still has as many goals as he does is impressive. This is the guy Ovie needs to chase and beat. the 801 by Howe will be a tough ask for him to catch but its possible.

 

[wetcoast]

Because sitting as number 3 behind Gretzky and Howe for goals will solidify his position even more. Jagr played a big chunk of hockey in the dead puck era and had monster offensive seasons. So the argument about goal scoring on Wayne's end being much easier in the 80's does not hold up as much when you compare it to someone like Jagr. Also considering Jagr took 3 years off from NHL hockey and still has as many goals as he does is impressive. This is the guy Ovie needs to chase and beat. the 801 by Howe will be a tough ask for him to catch but its possible.

I love Jagr as a player overall and think that he gets under rated at times but seriously does anyone really even consider him as one of the best 10 goal scorers of all time?

I mean there is Howe, Gretzky, Mario, both Hulls, Richard, Bossy and that's just 06 era and since.

Surely there might be a top 10 goal scorer of all time before 1945?

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

the 801 by Howe will be a tough ask for him to catch but its possible.

Will it though? Assuming he finishes this season with 700 goals (which is low considering he is at 686 now). But let's use nice easy round numbers. That means he needs roughly 100 goals to pass Gordie. Ovi hasnt scored under 35 goals in like 7 years (when he scored 32). So even using using that number, that's still only 3 seasons to get 96 goals .. then a few games the next season to get the remaining 5.

The reality is that he likely hits 801 at the end of the 21/22 season. Unless Ovi's game takes the most ridiculous nose dive EVER, it's a sure thing he passes Howe at this point.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I love Jagr as a player overall and think that he gets under rated at times but seriously does anyone really even consider him as one of the best 10 goal scorers of all time?

I mean there is Howe, Gretzky, Mario, both Hulls, Richard, Bossy and that's just 06 era and since.

Surely there might be a top 10 goal scorer of all time before 1945?

I think there are nine NHL players who are clearly, without question, better goal scorers than Jagr. In chronological order you'd have Maurice Richard, Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Mike Bossy Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Brett Hull, and Jaromir Jagr.

Jagr has a solid case for 10th all-time - but so do a lot of others. Still ranking him the 10th greatest goal-scorer all-time isn't unreasonable (even if it's far from a consensus).

 

[wetcoast]

I think there are nine NHL players who are clearly, without question, better goal scorers than Jagr. In chronological order you'd have Maurice Richard, Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Mike Bossy Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Brett Hull, and Jaromir Jagr.

Jagr has a solid case for 10th all-time - but so do a lot of others. Still ranking him the 10th greatest goal-scorer all-time isn't unreasonable (even if it's far from a consensus).

I know that you said NHL players but I would consider Bill Cook and perhaps even Nels stewart, Newsy Lalonde and Joe Malone to be "better" goal scorers than Phil Esposito.

But then again I do think that Phil's career bump was due more to the Bobby Orr affect than some others around these parts.

Heck even among contemporary players I think Ilya Kovalchuk Selanne and Bure are "better" goal scorers than Jagr.

Peter Bondra might be as well.

But it's a hard call as Jagr was a very complete offensive player and wasn't a pure goal scorer like some of the others mentioned.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

I know that you said NHL players but I would consider Bill Cook and perhaps even Nels stewart, Newsy Lalonde and Joe Malone to be "better" goal scorers than Phil Esposito.

But then again I do think that Phil's career bump was due more to the Bobby Orr affect than some others around these parts.

Heck even among contemporary players I think Ilya Kovalchuk Selanne and Bure are "better" goal scorers than Jagr.

Peter Bondra might be as well.

But it's a hard call as Jagr was a very complete offensive player and wasn't a pure goal scorer like some of the others mentioned.

Well you would not call Gretzky a pure goal scorer either as he was a facilitator, yet here we are. Doesn't matter how its done, the numbers speak for themselves in Jagr's case.

 

[Rygu]

Actually it's top 2.
NHL & WHA Single Season Leaders and Records for Adjusted Goals | Hockey-Reference.com

I wonder why they have Cooney Welland up there but not Joe Malone. 44 goals in 20 games in 1917-1918

 

[wetcoast]

Well you would not call Gretzky a pure goal scorer either as he was a facilitator, yet here we are. Doesn't matter how its done, the numbers speak for themselves in Jagr's case.

What numbers?

8 times in the top 10 in goals with finishes of 2,2,2,2,3,4,6 and 9th doesn't scream 10 10 goal scorer of all time to me.

 

[Randyne]

I wonder why they have Cooney Welland up there but not Joe Malone. 44 goals in 20 games in 1917-1918

In 1917-18 league GPG was 4.75, in 1929-30 (Welland record) league GPG was 2.79.

Adjusted Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

We will use Gordie Howe's 1952-53 season as an example, a season in which Howe scored a career-high 49 goals.
The first step in this process is to calculate a schedule adjustment for each player. In order to do this, divide 82 by the number of scheduled games per team. In 1952-53 the NHL played a 70-game schedule, so the schedule adjustment is 82 / 70 = 1.17.
The roster size adjustment is computed by dividing the maximum roster size for the season in question by 18. Teams were allowed to carry a maximum of 16 skaters at home and 15 skaters on the road during the 1952-53 season, so the roster size adjustment is 15.5 / 18 = 0.86.
Next calculate the era adjustment, which we will do by dividing 6 by the league average goals per game without the player in question. In 1952-53 a total of 1006 goals were scored in 210 games. Without Howe this works out to (1006 - 49) / 210 = 4.56 goals per game, so our era adjustment is 6 / 4.56 = 1.32.
Finally, we put everything together. Take the player's actual goals and multiply by the adjustments we computed above. For Howe in 1952-53 this is 49 * 1.17 * 0.86 * 1.32 = 65 adjusted goals.

 

[Rygu]

In 1917-18 league GPG was 4.75, in 1929-30 (Welland record) league GPG was 2.79.

Adjusted Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

Ahhh ok Malone is on that list I just didn't scroll down enough lol.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

What numbers?

8 times in the top 10 in goals with finishes of 2,2,2,2,3,4,6 and 9th doesn't scream 10 10 goal scorer of all time to me.

The 2,2,2,2,2 finishes wouldn't have anything to do with a guy named Lemieux would it?