LaffyTaffyNYR
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Speculation: Offseason Thread XIX: Alright, Alright, Alright...
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RGY said:
Im sorry you don't understand how good Trouba is. But aside form that, RHD is easily the biggest weakness both on the main squad and in the system.
There shouldn't be a single player on this team (again, Sans McD) who gets in the way of them acquiring him. Picks should be in play as well (since well, Trouba isn't even in his prime yet, and I doubt anyone they could land would be as good anyway.)
If that's the templet we're using, then Kreider for Trouba should do the trick.
Unfortunately, I think the Jets FO are a much, much smarter bunch than the Oilers.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I keep saying it:
Staal (a 2nd pair LD, under contract, from Thunder Bay) + McIlrath (3rd pair RD on a cheap contract this year, under team control for several more, who they apparently think has upside, from WINNIPEG) + Halverson (solid goalie prospect, under contract for three years, from Traverse City, MI).
Three guys who are needs for their organization, under contract, and are local boys or only a short flight away.
Staal (a 2nd pair LD, under contract, from Thunder Bay) + McIlrath (3rd pair RD on a cheap contract this year, under team control for several more, who they apparently think has upside, from WINNIPEG) + Halverson (solid goalie prospect, under contract for three years, from Traverse City, MI).
Three guys who are needs for their organization, under contract, and are local boys or only a short flight away.
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That's a tough one. I wouldn't do that just yet. Miller and Skjei have big big seasons coming up and I'd hate to trade them at this juncture. Nash is going to continue to fetch pennies on the dollar until he starts producing and we approach the deadline. Klein will not fetch enough and his cap relief isn't much either. He's our presumed #2 right now. I'm not sure about subtracting Klein and Skjei for Trouba would work. Skjei is also younger and much more affordable when we need it and Klein is affordable too. Seems like a cap hell especially if we have to retain.
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I think value wise, Trouba > Larsson, Hall > Kreider so right templet but wrong components.
SA16
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Why would they possibly accept that deal? Staal is overpriced and not that good. McIlrath is fine. They already have a good young goalie in Hellebuyck. Almost any other team that has serious interest will blow that offer out of the water.
They don't really need him as they have Hellebuyck, who got a nice chunk of action last season and performed pretty well. He's their goalie of the future.
It's going to take more than most people will want to give up.
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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Basically.
It'd have to be something like Skjei+Miller+ possibly another piece. Maybe they really like Graves (who is pretty close to NHL ready) and he can be slotted in there in place of Skjei.
I wish Staal wasn't completely useless.
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Yup pretty much. Not sure I'm comfortable with a big plus though, maybe a pick but thats it. Skjei and Trouba are same age, taken in same draft.
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Along the same line, I just don't see a team in that position willing to trade for pieces. They're not contending no, but if this were an off season move, they would be more open to intriguing and promising parts like doing a Gaborik for Brassard, Moore, what's his face deal or a Kessel type deal. In this precamp spot though, I think they are definitely going to need a comparable defenseman in return so it's pretty much Skjei+ from us or nothing unless we're willing to topple in value in forwards which Gorton isn't going to do.
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I`m positive about a Trouba trade - I hope Gorton is one the phone now. 
What about Hayes in such a move?
Miller can be used as #center as well, and we have Oscar who is healthy in November.
NY have 1.4$ mil cap space at the moment + 1.4 to move T. Glass. +2.6 mil Hayes = total of 5.4 mil cap. 4.5 $ mil contract for Trouba *6 years with some bonuses.
What about Hayes in such a move?
Miller can be used as #center as well, and we have Oscar who is healthy in November.
NY have 1.4$ mil cap space at the moment + 1.4 to move T. Glass. +2.6 mil Hayes = total of 5.4 mil cap. 4.5 $ mil contract for Trouba *6 years with some bonuses.
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Klein is gone after this year anyway (expansion draft). It's almost a given at this point.
The way to look at it would be which defense would you rather have:
McD - Klein
Staal- Skjei
Holden - Girardi
McIlrath
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McD - Trouba
Staal - McIlrath
Holden - Girardi
Clendenning
I think the second group, particularly at the top, is a lot stronger. Miller is a tough loss, but there ARE some concerns about whether he will be able to replicate his shooting percentage. And even if there weren't, we'd be dealing from a position of incredible strength (winger, where we don't even know where all of the NHL caliber guys will get time) AND we'd be replacing him with a lesser, but still decent player with upside (Dano).
Trouba/Dano for Skjei/Miller is a no-brainer to me as it meets the needs of both teams while dealing from the strengths of both teams. The bigger question is whether or not Winnipeg will get a better offer.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
4 things to bear in mind re: Trouba:
1) NHL GMs value proven performance at the NHL level more than perceived upside, especially in comparison to the average HF poster.
2) A big reason Trouba is unsigned is that he wants big money as an RFA.
3) For all the talent you see when you watch him, he's never cracked 30 pts, and has actually trended meaningfully DOWN points-wise each of the last three seasons.
4) Chevaldeyoff is a notorious PITA to deal with when trying to negotiate a trade.
All that said, I (and obviously many others), think Trouba is a star in the making and we should be doing our best to get him.
Finding a deal that works, however, is a thorny, thorny problem.
(Also, as an added tidbit, I find it hilarious that the #1 search Google suggests on Trouba, after just his name, is "Trouba Rangers".)
1) NHL GMs value proven performance at the NHL level more than perceived upside, especially in comparison to the average HF poster.
2) A big reason Trouba is unsigned is that he wants big money as an RFA.
3) For all the talent you see when you watch him, he's never cracked 30 pts, and has actually trended meaningfully DOWN points-wise each of the last three seasons.
4) Chevaldeyoff is a notorious PITA to deal with when trying to negotiate a trade.
All that said, I (and obviously many others), think Trouba is a star in the making and we should be doing our best to get him.
Finding a deal that works, however, is a thorny, thorny problem.
(Also, as an added tidbit, I find it hilarious that the #1 search Google suggests on Trouba, after just his name, is "Trouba Rangers".)
rangers1314
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haha someone already updated Trouba's wiki page saying hes a Ranger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Trouba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Trouba
Boruto
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First the sarcastic comments about Nash this morning and now he's editing wikipedia. Oh Jeff.
I'd offer Miller and Skjei. Graves seems to have proven that he is almost NHL ready so he can fill that hole and Vesey replaces Miller. Our RD then looks like Trouba, Klein and Girardi 1-2-3.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I think everyone who's poopooing my offer is missing the points about NHL performance and Trouba's big money demands, but given our forward glut, I'd be happy to throw in, say Miller. But then I want a significant pick in exchange as well.
(Doubt Gorton would go so high, however.)
(Doubt Gorton would go so high, however.)
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