Seravalli: Nolan Patrick hires new agent

[hmc1987]

1. Maybe Nolan Patrick's agent put the word out there he's looking for a raise in the hopes some team tries to poach him him with an offer sheet he is clearly not worth. His agent must know he's got no leverage and this is their only hope. Nolan Patrick is an excellent candidate for a mutual "change of scenery" trade which is far more likely than someone poaching him or trading for him.

Patrick for Pool Party

Other busts would be considered

 

[Viqsi]

1st
Patrick
Ghost

for Jones with extension

Maybe another piece from CBJ like Frost.

No.

Here's the situation with Jones: we're not trading him at all unless one of these things things happen:
1) We get offered a bona-fide #1C (the one thing we need the most), OR
2) We get confirmation that he wants out, OR
3) MAYBE, if we get to the deadline next year and he's still not signed.

So right now, the only acceptable offer is that bona-fide #1C. Everything else is either too far in the future or relies on something that hasn't happened.

And couple that with that segment of the Flyers fanbase that is all-in on "eye test is for suckers" analytics worship and hating Provorov as a result and frankly I don't want to discuss any kind of Jones deal with anyone following that team at all

 

[Starat327]

Ghost is terrible defensivelly.

I have to assume you think Provorov is abysmal defensively, then?

 

[Pantokrator]

I'll be shocked if Patrick is ever as good as RNH, even RyJo probably has a better peak.

At this point I'd be shocked if Patrick is ever as good as Patrick Stefan.

I think the Flyers leave him exposed at the ED, which I think it stupid, but hey, we're the Flyers!

 

[hmc1987]

No.

Here's the situation with Jones: we're not trading him at all unless one of these things things happen:
1) We get offered a bona-fide #1C (the one thing we need the most), OR
2) We get confirmation that he wants out, OR
3) MAYBE, if we get to the deadline next year and he's still not signed.

So right now, the only acceptable offer is that bona-fide #1C. Everything else is either too far in the future or relies on something that hasn't happened.

And couple that with that segment of the Flyers fanbase that is all-in on "eye test is for suckers" analytics worship and hating Provorov as a result and frankly I don't want to discuss any kind of Jones deal with anyone following that team at all

If you get to the deadline with Jones youre grossly handicapping any return he's worth. Just FYI

 

[hmc1987]

I have to assume you think Provorov is abysmal defensively, then?

Time to can another coach, huh?

Also, what you think about ED? Is it worth it to trade 3rd to SEA to take JVR or Voracek for cap space and - more importantly - roster spot ? Curious on your take...otherwise Patrick is 100% going to SEA in ED

 

[Pantokrator]

Time to can another coach, huh?

Also, what you think about ED? Is it worth it to trade 3rd to SEA to take JVR or Voracek for cap space and - more importantly - roster spot ? Curious on your take...otherwise Patrick is 100% going to SEA in ED

The Flyers could protect Patrick and leave both JVR and Voracek exposed, but I think they protect Voracek and let Patrick go.

 

[sxvnert]

Wants a raise? He's lucky to be playing in the league ffs.

 

[Sabreality]

Sabres will probably do something stupid, like trade Reinhart for him.

 

[Starat327]

Time to can another coach, huh?

Also, what you think about ED? Is it worth it to trade 3rd to SEA to take JVR or Voracek for cap space and - more importantly - roster spot ? Curious on your take...otherwise Patrick is 100% going to SEA in ED

Just like any job, when you dont do what youre supposed to, and you refuse to fix what you arent doing it right -- yeah, generally speaking thats what happens. I'm not sure what that has to do with my post though.

What they do in the ED is in consequential if they plan on continuing to move forward with AV, Yeo, and specifically, Therrien. You could add McDavid to this roster and it wouldnt change the end result.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Ghost is terrible defensivelly.

He's really not. He's got a great active stick, defense rushes well, and excels at getting the puck out of the zone. Whoever gets him this offseason will be pleasantly surprised by his all around game.

 

[Viqsi]

If you get to the deadline with Jones youre grossly handicapping any return he's worth. Just FYI

Given that that's when non-#1C deals are brought into play, said handicapping is kind of built into the expectations there.

 

[Bond]

Hmm, I would also like to suck at my job and get a raise. Send help

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Patrick for Pool Party

Other busts would be considered

There isn't a chance that the Oilers do this. Jesse is far from a bust.

 

[Static]

I didn't see anything in there about wanting a raise...

 

[Sweetpotato]

Patrick for Pool Party

Other busts would be considered

You mean the guy on pace for 23 goals this season in a full season? His first season back in NA?

Not a chance. Dude will be stapled to either of McDrai for the rest of his career.

 

[voxel]

I'll be shocked if Patrick is ever as good as RNH, even RyJo probably has a better peak.

But wasn't that even obvious on draft day?

N.Patrick was great as a 16 & 17 year old but kinda plateaued. I saw a safe 2C with size. Nuge almost won the Calder except his shoulder exploded and that also led a list of injuries also.

LANDESKOG NAMED ONE OF THREE FINALISTS FOR 2011-12 CALDER TROPHY FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I might've missed it, but I didn't hear anything about him wanting a raise. Just that he got a new agent and may want a fresh start.

 

[beowulf]

Qualify yes.
Get a raise? Clearly 9 points in 50 games will get huge raise. smh
Protect in ED? UMMMMM

That third one is the big question. Yes his age and talent require qualifying but is he really worth a spot on the protected list.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

You mean the guy on pace for 23 goals this season in a full season? His first season back in NA?

Not a chance. Dude will be stapled to either of McDrai for the rest of his career.

He definitely has more value than Patrick right now, but just saying, a 23 goal pace isn't that impressive playing on a line with a guy on a 106 assist pace...

 

[BHD]

I’d take Pool Party before Patrick. But again, the bar is pretty low here.

 

[drw02]

Teams that lack forward prospects/depth should take a shot at him as a lottery ticket, looking at the ducks,wings, blue jackets and Sabres imo

Don't really see a fit for Detroit. Rasmussen was better than Patrick this year in a similar role on a worse team. He's probably Detroit's 3C for the foreseeable future behind Larkin and Veleno. And Wings are pretty set at wing atp with Vrana, Zadina, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Raymond, Berggren so not sure where they'd play him?

 

[TheNewEra]

Don't really see a fit for Detroit. Rasmussen was better than Patrick this year in a similar role on a worse team. He's probably Detroit's 3C for the foreseeable future behind Larkin and Veleno. And Wings are pretty set at wing atp with Vrana, Zadina, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Raymond, Berggren so not sure where they'd play him?

dont know detroits prospects off hand so i could be wrong but Patrick probably still has more 'potential' (say it loosely haha) then a few of those guys, he has only been in the league for 3 years so i dont think its time to yakupov him out of the league just yet

 

[Double Dion]

You mean the guy on pace for 23 goals this season in a full season? His first season back in NA?

Not a chance. Dude will be stapled to either of McDrai for the rest of his career.

Kind of like how Alex "replacement level" Chiasson was when he played with McDavid? Except Chiasson was on pace for 25.

 

[voxel]

Kind of like how Alex "replacement level" Chiasson was when he played with McDavid? Except Chiasson was on pace for 25.

15 of those goals were on the PP. 1 SHG and so 6 were ES goals.

Other than Draisaitl and JP.. the only other player to put up serious ES goals with McDavid has been Maroon.