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[Otto]

i continue to be confused as to why we freak out about someone like austen matthews getting covid but theres zero comments about a family of 5 being homeless over the economical shutdown. its so odd.

I haven't seen anyone "freaking out" about Matthews, if I'm discussing professional athletes getting covid it's in the context of resuming an NHL season that should just be canceled. Same with the MLB, shut it down until the USA gets things under control.

Regarding the tents in Toronto, are you sure these are people that have actually lost their homes? There has always been a tent city under the Gardiner, and in March, shortly after the shutdowns went into effect, Toronto charities were distributing tents to the homeless.

Charities resort to distributing tents to Toronto’s homeless

You are very fortunate that you have fully recovered. Brian Taylor who played for the Guelph Storm in 2014 had had Covid since middle of April, still hasn't fully recovered. Has a few good days when the symptoms are manageable, but then he gets hit hard again.

 

[OHL4Life]

I haven't seen anyone "freaking out" about Matthews, if I'm discussing professional athletes getting covid it's in the context of resuming an NHL season that should just be canceled. Same with the MLB, shut it down until the USA gets things under control.

Regarding the tents in Toronto, are you sure these are people that have actually lost their homes? There has always been a tent city under the Gardiner, and in March, shortly after the shutdowns went into effect, Toronto charities were distributing tents to the homeless.

Charities resort to distributing tents to Toronto’s homeless

You are very fortunate that you have fully recovered. Brian Taylor who played for the Guelph Storm in 2014 had had Covid since middle of April, still hasn't fully recovered. Has a few good days when the symptoms are manageable, but then he gets hit hard again.

i was sure, i was there. there was a line up down university ave where all the hospitals are, the middle road is a wide divider, there were 70/80 tents. in talking to my doctor, there where 5/6 more around the city, moss park, under the gardiner, and a few others in parks. if you dont want to trust my words, thats fine, you should see for youself thou. i understand the city has now put them all up in hotels in the city right now, but that will stop soon.

i have no doubt we can find people who are still struggling, but they are the significant minority. even the article you posted suggested that 1/10 get long term issue. so based on the current numbers, its roughly 3k. we still have millions without a job. probably more that don't know how to pay rent next month. im not sure why the 3k is more important then the million, but thats me.

 

[Otto]

i was sure, i was there. there was a line up down university ave where all the hospitals are, the middle road is a wide divider, there were 70/80 tents. in talking to my doctor, there where 5/6 more around the city, moss park, under the gardiner, and a few others in parks. if you dont want to trust my words, thats fine, you should see for youself thou. i understand the city has now put them all up in hotels in the city right now, but that will stop soon.

i have no doubt we can find people who are still struggling, but they are the significant minority. even the article you posted suggested that 1/10 get long term issue. so based on the numbers, its roughly 3k. we still have millions without a job. probalby more that don't know how to pay rent next month. im not sure why the 3k is more important then the million, but thats me.

I'm in Toronto at Princess Margaret on University Ave every three weeks. I'm not doubting what you saw. I've seen tents as well. But the city is constantly attempting to relocate the homeless to the shelters. The shelters are not crowded .. the homeless don't want to go because of the outbreaks. When I was at Princess Margaret last week there were very few tents on University Ave.

Hered an article that discusses the shelters and the outbreaks Cities must end homeless camp evictions during the coronavirus pandemic

I totally get what you are saying about the people who have lost their jobs and the small businesses. It's tough, but if the governments didn't act like they did where would we be? We don't know, but maybe we could be like the USA is now... and that's not good for business either.

Not being argumentative, just participating in the discussion.

 

[OHL4Life]

I'm in Toronto at Princess Margaret on University Ave every three weeks. I'm not doubting what you saw. I've seen tents as well. But the city is constantly attempting to relocate the homeless to the shelters. The shelters are not crowded .. the homeless don't want to go because of the outbreaks. When I was at Princess Margaret last week there were very few tents on University Ave.

Regarding the tents in Toronto, are you sure these are people that have actually lost their homes? There has always been a tent city under the Gardiner, and in March, shortly after the shutdowns went into effect, Toronto charities were distributing tents to the homeless.

with all due respect, if you have seen them yourself, then why ask if i was imagining it? they are gone now because they are in hotels.

we can always find the 1 percent (or in this case based on your article, the 10 percent of those who caught it, 3000 in a population of 14 million) who suffer long term, but those stats are so small in conjunction to the majority and those who are in serious trouble financially, i dont get why we can only really focus on that small amount. i dont get why the 3000 are more important then the 1 million plus who wont know how to pay rent/mortgages in a few months, but thats me.

 

[Otto]

with all due respect, if you have seen them yourself, then why ask if i was imagining it? they are gone now because they are in hotels.

You're funny... in one post you call people out for being argumentative... but then you go and make false comments...

Please show me where I said you imagined anything?

 

[OHL4Life]

You're funny... in one post you call people out for being argumentative... but then you go and make false comments...

Please show me where I said you imagined anything?

you asked me if they were homeless, if i was sure. my doctor was part of a team that went out to help them with food and medicine. they were homeless. i didnt make it up.

i dont get why that mattered in the first place, it had little to do with the overall point (focusing on the 3k vs the 1 million) but since you asked, you got the answer.

 

[Otto]

you asked me if they were homeless, if i was sure. my doctor was part of a team that went out to help them with food and medicine. they were homeless. i didnt make it up.

No... I didn't ask that .. I asked if you were sure that these were people that actually lost their homes .. there's a difference between being homeless and losing your home because you no longer have a job due to covid-19.

In regards to your other point (3k vs 1 million) So lets look at the alternative. If the government doesn't take action, or shuts down for two weeks then re-opens everything what do you think happens then? Do you feel we would be in the same position as we are today i.e. number of cases/deaths? or would it be worse? Where do you think businesses would be if they were continuously having to close their doors because they don't have enough staff to work because they are sick.. even if they are out for a week, they are still contagious. Do you think all of these extra cases of covid are just going to stay home/ or would they spread it to the Pharmacy and Grocery store workers, the bus drivers, the hospitals... so yes.. when you look at the numbers you posted (3k vs. 1 million) how much worse off would we be if we were like the USA right now.. maybe we'd be talking about 1 million vs 5 million? . .it's a safe bet

 

[OHL4Life]

No... I didn't ask that .. I asked if you were sure that these were people that actually lost their homes .. there's a difference between being homeless and losing your home because you no longer have a job due to covid-19.

In regards to your other point (3k vs 1 million) So lets look at the alternative. If the government doesn't take action, or shuts down for two weeks then re-opens everything what do you think happens then? Do you feel we would be in the same position as we are today i.e. number of cases/deaths? or would it be worse? Where do you think businesses would be if they were continuously having to close their doors because they don't have enough staff to work because they are sick.. even if they are out for a week, they are still contagious. Do you think all of these extra cases of covid are just going to stay home/ or would they spread it to the Pharmacy and Grocery store workers, the bus drivers, the hospitals... so yes.. when you look at the numbers you posted (3k vs. 1 million) how much worse off would we be if we were like the USA right now.. maybe we'd be talking about 1 million vs 5 million? . .it's a safe bet

point 1, let me re-phase. he said a majority lost they homes in the last few weeks. again, i honestly dont know why it matters, but you questioned it. jobless in canada is 13 percent, probably higher in ontario, if you dont think thats going to lead to homelessness, i cant say anything else.

second, you need to look at my past posts. i agreed with it all. what i don't agree with is the thought that we need to continue to shut down and hide, and that an athlete getting it is the worst thing ever. when we shut down, the thought the virus killed at a 6 percent rate, now we see its maybe .5? some say .2? of those who get it, 10 percent have long term issues. thats too bad, but a significant higher amount of people are having financial issues, but no one on here talks about them, i dont think ive ever seen you say a peep about it.

we post about austen matthews and scream shut it down, but we dont post about the families who may be on the streets because their jobs or businesses are gone. i think austen will be fine, not so sure about those families. ive had it, i have a significant pre-esiting issue. if you want to lecture me on the virus that youve never had or lived though, again, i cant say anything else. if you want to source out someone who has long term issues with anything, youll find it, you cant probably find people who have long term issues form a ton of viruses. that doesnt make it typical and it doesnt mean you continue to shut down and continue to take jobs financial security away from families.

as dr williams said yesterday, i think the toronto doctor said it too. we cant keep this up, its just not viable. hiding away isnt going to make anything better, its going to make it worse. we have to appreciate the damage it can do while also getting back to normal, we cant stay locked up forever.

we need to focus on the million, not the 3k.

 

[imarriedawitch]

point 1, let me re-phase. he said a majority lost they homes in the last few weeks. again, i honestly dont know why it matters, but you questioned it. jobless in canada is 13 percent, probably higher in ontario, if you dont think thats going to lead to homelessness, i cant say anything else.

second, you need to look at my past posts. i agreed with it all. what i don't agree with is the thought that we need to continue to shut down and hide, and that an athlete getting it is the worst thing ever. when we shut down, the thought the virus killed at a 6 percent rate, now we see its maybe .5? some say .2? of those who get it, 10 percent have long term issues. thats too bad, but a significant higher amount of people are having financial issues, but no one on here talks about them, i dont think ive ever seen you say a peep about it.

we post about austen matthews and scream shut it down, but we dont post about the families who may be on the streets because their jobs or businesses are gone. i think austen will be fine, not so sure about those families. ive had it, i have a significant pre-esiting issue. if you want to lecture me on the virus that youve never had or lived though, again, i cant say anything else. if you want to source out someone who has long term issues with anything, youll find it, you cant probably find people who have long term issues form a ton of viruses. that doesnt make it typical and it doesnt mean you continue to shut down and continue to take jobs financial security away from families.

as dr williams said yesterday, i think the toronto doctor said it too. we cant keep this up, its just not viable. hiding away isnt going to make anything better, its going to make it worse. we have to appreciate the damage it can do while also getting back to normal, we cant stay locked up forever.

we need to focus on the million, not the 3k.

Over dramatizing doesn't help your argument. I'm not seeing anyone freaking out or screaming shut it down and while I am at home I am definitely not hiding.

 

[Otto]

point 1, let me re-phase. he said a majority lost they homes in the last few weeks. again, i honestly dont know why it matters, but you questioned it. jobless in canada is 13 percent, probably higher in ontario, if you dont think thats going to lead to homelessness, i cant say anything else.

So really an unscientific poll. I'd be surprised if the doctor actually talked to everyone, and recorded their answers regarding this. And Ontario had ban on residential evictions starting in March. I don't doubt that some have lost their homes because of this, and I don't even doubt that the doctor said that the majority of them had.. however I call into question the accuracy of that comment... because the homeless have always been there and there are more in the Hospital district as the weather turns warmer.. just not usually a large amount of tents.. but again that's been explained in a previous post. I've seen it .. I've been going to that area frequently for the last 3 years.

But you are correct, we shouldn't be focusing on the few in Toronto, but we should be focusing on the province as a whole. Have we seen an increase in tents province wide? I've only been to London and Burlington.. I haven't seen a noticeable increase in either city

second, you need to look at my past posts. i agreed with it all. what i don't agree with is the thought that we need to continue to shut down and hide, and that an athlete getting it is the worst thing ever. when we shut down, the thought the virus killed at a 6 percent rate, now we see its maybe .5? some say .2? of those who get it, 10 percent have long term issues. thats too bad, but a significant higher amount of people are having financial issues, but no one on here talks about them, i dont think ive ever seen you say a peep about it.

Again.. what happens if we went the way of the USA? Does the death rate increase? How would businesses operate if half of their staff are sick? Yes there is a great chance they would not die, but they would still be sick enough that they would need to be off.. which affects productivity. And a lot of businesses cannot operate with few staff. And what about the Grocery store and pharmacy workers? They would be at greater risk. It's easy to sit back and say "ya.. that wasn't as bad as we thought... we shouldn't have done that" But when you look south of the border , we are seeing states that were wide open, not bring in restrictions. Isn't it better to get it under control sooner rather than later? You are saying 3k vs 1 million.... but given what the USA is doing we could have been 1 million vs 5 million . I didn't check the legitimacy of this site.. but it states in terms of closed cases of coronavirus in the USA.. 11% have resulted in deaths United States Coronavirus: 2,529,811 Cases and 127,107 Deaths - Worldometer

Edit: I just checked Canada on that site and it shows as 11% of closed cases are deaths... again.. I don't know the legitimacy of the site as I haven't checked...

As for not "saying a peep about it before" .. None of this really has any bearing on the next OHL season... so I wasn't involved in those discussions here directly. I've addressed it now because you have asked me directly.

we post about austen matthews and scream shut it down, but we dont post about the families who may be on the streets because their jobs or businesses are gone. i think austen will be fine, not so sure about those families. ive had it, i have a significant pre-esiting issue. if you want to lecture me on the virus that youve never had or lived though, again, i cant say anything else. if you want to source out someone who has long term issues with anything, youll find it, you cant probably find people who have long term issues form a ton of viruses. that doesnt make it typical and it doesnt mean you continue to shut down and continue to take jobs financial security away from families.

as dr williams said yesterday, i think the toronto doctor said it too. we cant keep this up, its just not viable. hiding away isnt going to make anything better, its going to make it worse. we have to appreciate the damage it can do while also getting back to normal, we cant stay locked up forever.

we need to focus on the million, not the 3k.

We haven't "continued to shut down" many regions moved into phase 2 a few weeks ago with the rest of the province aside from two towns entering in the past 7 days. I've been on the golf course 7 times, had a haircut, eaten lunch on a couple of patios... stores and malls have re-opened. I said it earlier, it wouldn't surprise me if we were in Phase 3 as early as next week. But I also think that it's irresponsible to allow people to cross the boarder without a minimum 14 day quaranteen .. this includes professional athletes.

We need to focus on the 35 million, not just the 3k or the 1 million. The 1 million need to be looked after to prevent them from being evicted and businesses need to be protected. We need to ensure the remaining 34 million don't get sick... we've done a great job with the latter part... and now is the time to start getting the 1 million back and working, in some capactiy. That's not going to happen by re-opening the border.... becasue we will be having this discussion again in October .. and you are not going to be happy.

I appreciate your opinion... thanks for the discussion.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

first off i dont live in toronto, i was there for a follow up with my specialist, im from the windsor area.

ive never seen so many tents in one spot in my life, one of the main streets was lined with them, im guessing those are not people who live in toronto either.

im not sure why it matters if someone was living pay check to pay check or not, they are now struggling, that would be like saying 'they are over 80, who cares let them die'. at some point we all live pay check to pay check, i lived pay check to pay check after i bought my first home, its part of life. we need to be wary of anyone who is sick or in jeopardy and adjust accordingly. if the numbers were reversed and we saw millions dying and a few thousand out of work, id say lock it up and throw away the key, but thats simply not happening. the virus is way less lethal then we anticipated and its becoming more and more worse for those in economic and mentally insable situations. millions without jobs, thousands suicidal and hundreds dying of drug overdoses.

we just cant keep locking it up and expect it to go away, like dr williams said yesterday, we have to come to grips that this isnt going away and do our best to manage it while opening up, its just not viable to shut down for 6 months, we wont have taxes to pay for hospitals to treat anyone.

i continue to be confused as to why we freak out about someone like austen matthews getting covid but theres zero comments about a family of 5 being homeless over the economical shutdown. its so odd.

Never said you did live in Toronto, you used it as an example and that's fine.

Let's make the analogy of deaths during covid. There are many deaths that are categorized by covid and those individuals had underlying health conditions whether it was their lungs, heart, cancer etc.. and their death was categorized as covid death. Individuals that unfortunately who might be homeless now due to covid I can imagine there were underlying conditions whether it was debt, living above their pay grade, not being able to meet rent etc.. It's awful people have become homeless because of this virus, just as it's horrible that people have died because of it. Just as it's awful that children that aren't even born yet will be paying for this virus decades down the line that they don't even know about. I'm not about to believe this virus is not as lethal as we once thought, look no further to the state of Florida who hit a one day high of close to 9000 covid cases. Unfortunately there it's hitting people between the people ages between 34-65 as it as individuals older than 65.

I can't answer about Auston Matthews I thought a lot of the talk was due to Steve Simmons who broke it with sources. Of course other hockey players had covid but were never publicized but Matthews was one of maybe the first NHL player named who caught the virus. Other big names in sports got and they either came out publicly themselves or gave their agents permission to get the word out. That seemed the complete opposite of Matthews. As for the family of 5 and I will say this again I had finance professors tell me that in case of some catastrophe(yes it's easier said than done) make sure you have at least 3 months of expenses in the bank to cover things. Every market is different but there will be many more people that are homeless 5-6 months after this due to not being able to make mortgage pmts etc. hence why finance people believe housing prices will drop between 15-20% over the next year.

 

[OMG67]

Only 111 positive cases in Ontario announced today and 30,718 tests completed.

If the OHL is going to play with fans they need to look at contingency plans with the 3 US based teams. The USA continues to be a mess and I don't see the border opening any time soon.

Barring a second wave I could see the OHL ready to go full force by end of September as long as something is worked out regarding Saginaw, Flint, and Erie.

If the trend continues I could see phase three beginning sometime next week.

8,900 new cases in Florida announced today...

YEah, it is definitely odd all around.

Regarding FLA. It is funny they have these numbers announced and yet apparently only 3.5% of their hospital beds are occupied by Covid patients.

Is it possible the Virus has started to mutate and become less severe? You’d think with all the new positive tests, it would cause more hospitalization but it isn’t.

I know a lot of the positive tests are asymptomatic. They are starting to test a lot of apparent healthy people for job related purposes and they are coming up positive but asymptomatic.

It will be interesting to see whether the Virus has mutated into something less severe. I know the thought is the Asian strain is less severe and may have something to do with how well Japan handled the situation while maintaining a strong economy by comparison to the West.

The other thing to consider is how well we will have adapted to keeping the spread within the less vulnerable segment of the population. What are the odds we see a massive 2nd wave of positive tests but virtually no deaths because we were able to shelter the vulnerable? Learning from mistakes will be key.

We still have two full months before training camps typically open. That’s a lot of time for things to change. Three months before the start of a season. I still think they will delay the start a little and push the season back a good 2-4 weeks.

The interesting part will be lining up the NHL draft well into the CHL season. What will happen? WIll players that are a full 4 weeks into their CHL schedule leave for an NHL camp and potentially play exhibition games in the NHL mid-CHL season? IF the NHL playoffs end mid-October, you’d have to think it would be mid-November Earliest for the start of the next NHL season. How does that impact player availability for the WJHC? There will be loads of oddities I think this year.

 

[Otto]

YEah, it is definitely odd all around.

Regarding FLA. It is funny they have these numbers announced and yet apparently only 3.5% of their hospital beds are occupied by Covid patients.

Is it possible the Virus has started to mutate and become less severe? You’d think with all the new positive tests, it would cause more hospitalization but it isn’t.

It is in Texas Some Texas cities revive plans to add hospital bed capacity at convention centers if coronavirus cases climb

This article tells me your 3.5% may be a bit off As hospitals fill with coronavirus patients, Florida wants to know who is in the ICU beds

Multiple Florida hospitals out of ICU beds amid COVID-19 surge: Hospitals across Florida are nearing or meeting bed capacity in intensive care units as COVID-19 cases rise, Newsweek reports. 

 

[OMG67]

It is in Texas Some Texas cities revive plans to add hospital bed capacity at convention centers if coronavirus cases climb

This article tells me your 3.5% may be a bit off As hospitals fill with coronavirus patients, Florida wants to know who is in the ICU beds

Multiple Florida hospitals out of ICU beds amid COVID-19 surge: Hospitals across Florida are nearing or meeting bed capacity in intensive care units as COVID-19 cases rise, Newsweek reports.

The Governor last week stated they’d not been higher than 3.5%. Now, that doesn’t factor hot spots. For example, you have have one zone near capacity while other zones are virtually empty. Looking at GTA and Windsor vs Kingston for example. So I wonder how much the percentage matters if there are spots that are overwhelmed.

The other factor is the 3.5% was based on total hospital beds but the articles seem more to identify ICU bed use. I know in our hospital we have 8 ICU beds. We have over 100 Acute care beds. So, if ICU beds are being used as “Covid zones” it may skew the stats too. It would be good to know all the stats.

 

[Otto]

The Governor last week stated they’d not been higher than 3.5%. Now, that doesn’t factor hot spots.

Pretty important stat to omit don't you think?

 

[OMG67]

Pretty important stat to omit don't you think?

What I meant was the articles are saying ICU's are being used as Covid units in many hospitals. If the average ICU to regular bed ratio is 12-1, then an average hospital has 8% ICU beds.

If the ICU beds are essentially the Covid Unit, and the media is suggesting that some hospitals are at capacity, does that mean the hospitals are at capacity? No.

With respect to hot spots, if 10% of communities are in hot spots and 8% of beds in those communities are being used for Covid, what percentage of hospital beds are being used for Covid?

Do you see what I am getting at?

In our hospital, we had an wntire wing blocked off for Covid care but it looks like many hospitals in FLA didn't do that for whatever reason. They dedicated their ICU for it. How can a hospital say they are at capacity when less than 10% of their beds are for Covid? Then the media reports it as such!

Based on that, to me, the 3.5% may make some sense. Some spots it's 20% and others it's zero etc.

 

[Otto]

Do you see what I am getting at?

Yes.. for some strange reason you are trying to downplay what is happening in Florida ..

‘Irresponsible’ to rely on hospital capacity data amid U.S. coronavirus resurgence: experts

 

[AttackSound]

In a recent interview between Attack sports reporter FW and GM in regards to the coming CHL import draft he was asked what is the time frame of the fall season starting and stated "When the government gives us the green light to get things going we will start."

He also was asked about what the league has in place for international players to which he regarded to that he expects all European players to report a minimum 2 weeks are pre-required by the Canadian government for quarantine and safety measures to take place. As for the OHL season start time he expects everything will start with a timeline of late September early-mid October at the moment but also stated that this has everything to do with what the government allows and when .

 

[OMG67]

Yes.. for some strange reason you are trying to downplay what is happening in Florida ..

‘Irresponsible’ to rely on hospital capacity data amid U.S. coronavirus resurgence: experts

Actually, I am not downplaying anything. I am suggesting the data isn’t telling the story it is trying to tell. There is way too much confusion regarding hospital beds and ICU usage.

We also need to keep one factor in focus and that is preventing DEATHS. Who cares if people get the virus and recover? I don’t. People get sick all the time.

We need to focus on preventing deaths by prioritizing the shelter of those that are vulnerable.

In my opinion, we cannot stamp out the virus. We may be able to develop a treatment and a viable vaccine may be somewhat of a long shot. Without either of those available, the best we can do is protect the ones most at risk. Let everyone else deal with it if they get it.

The mortality rates outside the vulnerable community are so ridiculously low, it makes no sense to me to continue running from the Virus. I think the data is pretty clear that we are doing as much harm as we are doing good. Deaths above the average far exceed the Coronavirus Deaths. These statistic still require some work to properly present in a clinical paper but the trend suggests there definitely is something to it.

The latest data I read has Canada funding 8 million CERB recipients. That is $16bil per month. Over 6 months of these benefits, that is just under $100bil. That doesn’t include all the other relief for businesses.

Businesses are remaining open for now, mainly because the temporary moratorium on evictions is in place. It will be very interesting to see what happens in September-October when CERB ends and the businesses have to fork over 6 months of back rent.

We’ve had a safety net so far in canada with respect to Government support but at some point that safety net needs to be removed. Right now, we are trying to reduce the numbers as much as possible but if the Virus is as bad as has been reported, you cannot stop it no matter how low the numbers. Remember, the infections in canada started with ONE! We can’t run from it. IT is doubtful a treatment or vaccine will be ready by the fall. The government will have no choice but to do what states like Florida are doing now.

 

[Otto]

Actually, I am not downplaying anything. I am suggesting the data isn’t telling the story it is trying to tell. There is way too much confusion regarding hospital beds and ICU usage.

We also need to keep one factor in focus and that is preventing DEATHS. Who cares if people get the virus and recover? I don’t. People get sick all the time.

We need to focus on preventing deaths by prioritizing the shelter of those that are vulnerable.

In my opinion, we cannot stamp out the virus. We may be able to develop a treatment and a viable vaccine may be somewhat of a long shot. Without either of those available, the best we can do is protect the ones most at risk. Let everyone else deal with it if they get it.

The mortality rates outside the vulnerable community are so ridiculously low, it makes no sense to me to continue running from the Virus. I think the data is pretty clear that we are doing as much harm as we are doing good. Deaths above the average far exceed the Coronavirus Deaths. These statistic still require some work to properly present in a clinical paper but the trend suggests there definitely is something to it.

The latest data I read has Canada funding 8 million CERB recipients. That is $16bil per month. Over 6 months of these benefits, that is just under $100bil. That doesn’t include all the other relief for businesses.

Businesses are remaining open for now, mainly because the temporary moratorium on evictions is in place. It will be very interesting to see what happens in September-October when CERB ends and the businesses have to fork over 6 months of back rent.

We’ve had a safety net so far in canada with respect to Government support but at some point that safety net needs to be removed. Right now, we are trying to reduce the numbers as much as possible but if the Virus is as bad as has been reported, you cannot stop it no matter how low the numbers. Remember, the infections in canada started with ONE! We can’t run from it. IT is doubtful a treatment or vaccine will be ready by the fall. The government will have no choice but to do what states like Florida are doing now.

No choice but to do what Florida is doing now? What's that? Shut down again because they originally shut down too late and then re-opened too early? You make it sound like every vulnerable person resides in a long term care home. That's clearly not the case. You also make it sound like we are still in complete lockdown.. again not the case. The economy is gradually re-opening, and we will be in phase three shortly. And because of the moves (eventually) made by the Federal and Provincial governments we have not seen outbreaks like the have in the USA. For the most part Canadians seem to have more respect for one another when it comes to covid-19 than Americans, which again has prevented massive outbreaks.

IF the governments didn't react, we'd be faced with a Florida situation.. thankfully we are not, and as long as the US/Canada border stays closed we won't get there. We are not running from it.. if we were then we wouldn't be in phase 2 now.

Regarding your CERB math.. keep in mind that those receiving benefits max out at 16 weeks... nobody is receiving it for 6 months.

 

[MatthewsMoustache]

No choice but to do what Florida is doing now? What's that? Shut down again because they originally shut down too late and then re-opened too early? You make it sound like every vulnerable person resides in a long term care home. That's clearly not the case. You also make it sound like we are still in complete lockdown.. again not the case. The economy is gradually re-opening, and we will be in phase three shortly. And because of the moves (eventually) made by the Federal and Provincial governments we have not seen outbreaks like the have in the USA. For the most part Canadians seem to have more respect for one another when it comes to covid-19 than Americans, which again has prevented massive outbreaks.

IF the governments didn't react, we'd be faced with a Florida situation.. thankfully we are not, and as long as the US/Canada border stays closed we won't get there. We are not running from it.. if we were then we wouldn't be in phase 2 now.

Regarding your CERB math.. keep in mind that those receiving benefits max out at 16 weeks... nobody is receiving it for 6 months.

they recently extended CERB by another 8 weeks to 24 max

 

[Otto]

they recently extended CERB by another 8 weeks to 24 max

Thanks, wasn't aware

 

[OMG67]

No choice but to do what Florida is doing now? What's that? Shut down again because they originally shut down too late and then re-opened too early? You make it sound like every vulnerable person resides in a long term care home. That's clearly not the case. You also make it sound like we are still in complete lockdown.. again not the case. The economy is gradually re-opening, and we will be in phase three shortly. And because of the moves (eventually) made by the Federal and Provincial governments we have not seen outbreaks like the have in the USA. For the most part Canadians seem to have more respect for one another when it comes to covid-19 than Americans, which again has prevented massive outbreaks.

IF the governments didn't react, we'd be faced with a Florida situation.. thankfully we are not, and as long as the US/Canada border stays closed we won't get there. We are not running from it.. if we were then we wouldn't be in phase 2 now.

Regarding your CERB math.. keep in mind that those receiving benefits max out at 16 weeks... nobody is receiving it for 6 months.

CERB was extended 8 weeks.

I mostly agree with what you've said. The part I disagree is at some pont we will open and stay open regardless of the ramifications. I believe it is not realistic to close again.

If the Virus is as strong as predicted or currently being discussed, it will surge again regardless of what we do. At some point we will be ffaced with the decision o whether we should simply just get it over with and move on.

 

[imarriedawitch]

CERB was extended 8 weeks.

I mostly agree with what you've said. The part I disagree is at some pont we will open and stay open regardless of the ramifications. I believe it is not realistic to close again.

If the Virus is as strong as predicted or currently being discussed, it will surge again regardless of what we do. At some point we will be ffaced with the decision o whether we should simply just get it over with and move on.

Are you planning on pushing people through the doors of businesses that they don't believe to be safe?

 

[OMG67]

Are you planning on pushing people through the doors of businesses that they don't believe to be safe?

That’s rather dramatic don’t you think? Especially when you see lineups outside many big box retail stores and full grocery stores. I think the majority of people are ready to go back to close to normal while being responsibly distanced. Some not so responsibly distanced.