Mitch Marner vs Brock Boeser

[TMLeafs17]

One players team has scored 53 more goals, and also has the much better supporting cast?

Hmmm interesting

Boeser gets more than a minute extra ice time per game.

Marner played all last year and half of this year with Bozak and JVR... No better than Boeser’s support (Horvat and Baertschi)

 

[canwincup]

At this point Marner is more proven due to him putting up two productive seasons, but Boeser has been similar with less support this season.

I’ve said this before it’s close but I would lean towards Boeser because of goal his scoring abilities.

 

[Dominance]

Boeser pace over 77 games this year: 68 points

Marner actual stats after 77 games: 67 points
While putting up 61 points last season.

That isn’t accurate, though. Marner was stuck on the fourth line for some absurd reason for the first half of the season. Once given opportunities and minutes equivalent to Boeser’s, he has blown him out of the water - seriously, no comparison at all - in every single metric.

 

[Captain Bowie]

That isn’t accurate, though. Marner was stuck on the fourth line for some absurd reason for the first half of the season. Once given opportunities and minutes equivalent to Boeser’s, he has blown him out of the water - seriously, no comparison at all - in every single metric.

Show us.

 

[TMLeafs17]

That isn’t accurate, though. Marner was stuck on the fourth line for some absurd reason for the first half of the season. Once given opportunities and minutes equivalent to Boeser’s, he has blown him out of the water - seriously, no comparison at all - in every single metric.

That fourth line stuff was insanely overblown:

Even Strength Line Combinations

Freq	Line Combination
45.4%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - VAN RIEMSDYK,JAMES
38.8%	KADRI,NAZEM - MARLEAU,PATRICK - MARNER,MITCHELL
5.8%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - MARTIN,MATT
5.4%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - NYLANDER,WILLIAM
4.6%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - MATTHEWS,AUSTON

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Ace of Hades]

Boeser also faced off against top competition in the means of facing off daily against top pairing D, while Marner gets secondary defenders, so there's that.
Boeser also was shuffled through different lines, and had a waiver fodder C in Gagner and was producing, so there's that too
Boeser around the same games played as Marner was also outproducing him by a good margin facing tougher competition with less offensive support, so there's that again.

Ultimately the two players are close. Anyone is delusional to think otherwise, about as delusional and bias as expecting the Canuck forward is going to all of a sudden "regress" or is due to "regress".

At this point I'm going with Boeser going forward and in the future given how damn impressive he has been.

 

[The Podium]

Boeser also faced off against top competition in the means of facing off daily against top pairing D, while Marner gets secondary defenders, so there's that.
Boeser also was shuffled through different lines, and had a waiver fodder C in Gagner and was producing, so there's that too
Boeser around the same games played as Marner was also outproducing him by a good margin facing tougher competition with less offensive support, so there's that again.

Ultimately the two players are close. Anyone is delusional to think otherwise. At this point I'm going with Boeser going forward and in the future given that he's been simply more impressive. Although Marner's current streak is pretty solid too.

For ~39% of the season (according to the chart above your post), Marner has player on Kadri's line which is the shutdown line matching up against the oppositions top line in mainly a defensive role. So maybe not top pairing D, but definitely not easier matchups that Boeser.

 

[TMLeafs17]

Boeser:

Even Strength Line Combinations

Freq	Line Combination
53%	BAERTSCHI,SVEN - BOESER,BROCK - HORVAT,BO
19.8%	BOESER,BROCK - GAGNER,SAM - VANEK,THOMAS
13%	BOESER,BROCK - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
9.3%	BOESER,BROCK - GOLDOBIN,NIKOLAY - HORVAT,BO
4.8%	BOESER,BROCK - HORVAT,BO - LEIPSIC,BRENDAN

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Let’s not pretend he spent a lot of time with Gagner or that his line mates were any worse than Marner’s.

edit: 67% of his time with Horvat.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Read the post again properly.

For ~39% of the season (according to the chart above your post), Marner has player on Kadri's line which is the shutdown line matching up against the oppositions top line in mainly a defensive role. So maybe not top pairing D, but definitely not easier matchups that Boeser.

He also has a selke calibre forward, and an extremely good defensive forward to help him out, while Boeser doesn't have that luxury. He's the main offensive threat aside from Horvat (who's more of a decent 1B or great 2c than a top line center).

 

[TMLeafs17]

For ~39% of the season (according to the chart above your post), Marner has player on Kadri's line which is the shutdown line matching up against the oppositions top line in mainly a defensive role. So maybe not top pairing D, but definitely not easier matchups that Boeser.

No, he’s right about the quality of competition. Boeser faced #1 and 2 D while Marner faces #2 and 3 D primarily. The forwards are even more in favour of Boeser

 

[Dominance]

That fourth line stuff was insanely overblown:

Even Strength Line Combinations

Freq	Line Combination
45.4%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - VAN RIEMSDYK,JAMES
38.8%	KADRI,NAZEM - MARLEAU,PATRICK - MARNER,MITCHELL
5.8%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - MARTIN,MATT
5.4%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - NYLANDER,WILLIAM
4.6%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - MATTHEWS,AUSTON

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I actually had no clue that this was the case, thanks for sharing.

 

[TMLeafs17]

I actually had no clue that this was the case, thanks for sharing.

No worries man.

 

[Addison Rae]

Marner for sure. Brock had a heck of a year though, showed some real character.

That said, he's due for some regression.

How many times does Brock Boeser have to prove you wrong before you just give it a rest?

Weren’t you the same poster blabbering about how the Larsson/Hall trade was so awful for the the Devils?

Maybe it’s time to stop evaluating ice hockey players.

 

[Holymakinaw]

How many times does Brock Boeser have to prove you wrong before you just give it a rest?

Weren’t you the same poster blabbering about how the Larsson/Hall trade was so awful for the the Devils?

Maybe it’s time to stop evaluating ice hockey players.

Uh......Boeser's played a grand total of 60 games in his career. He hasn't had ANY time to prove anyone right or wrong. Let's see him get through a season before we claim that he's "proven someone wrong", yeah?

Fact is, his shooting percentage this year was 16.2%. That is LIKELY to fall back down to league average. Even Ovechkin has only shot 13.6% this year.

That's hardly a slight. It's just stating facts.

Don't be so sensitive, just because the Leaf player wins the comparison over your guy.

 

[Lemontree]

best prospect outside of NHL. top 5 prospect pool right now. another 2 top 5 draft picks next 2 years. Add all of that to Boeser and Horvat. GG

1. I wasn't aware that the Draft Lottery was already held, Congrats to the Canucks for getting 1st overall.
2. You are assuming all prospects work out? Also outside of EP they do not currently have any other blue chip prospects (Goalies are so hard to gauge that I almost never consider any of them blue chip status although Demko looks really good).
3. You have no way of knowing if they pick Top 5 in either draft as there is a Lottery.

 

[Josepho]

Uh......Boeser's played a grand total of 60 games in his career. He hasn't had ANY time to prove anyone right or wrong. Let's see him get through a season before we claim that he's "proven someone wrong", yeah?

Fact is, his shooting percentage this year was 16.2%. That is LIKELY to fall back down to league average. Even Ovechkin has only shot 13.6% this year.

That's hardly a slight. It's just stating facts.

Don't be so sensitive, just because the Leaf player wins the comparison over your guy.

Ovechkin is a volume shooter and Boeser is not. In terms of style of shooting Boeser is closer to Laine or Stamkos than he is to Ovechkin.

I'm not suggesting he's a lock to fluctuate around his current SH%, but he's not a lock to completely drop like a lot of people seem to think.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Ovechkin is a volume shooter and Boeser is not. In terms of style of shooting Boeser is closer to Laine or Stamkos than he is to Ovechkin.

The point is........16+% is not sustainable. 12-13% is WAY closer to the league average. And players, even if they have one super hot year scoring goals, will most likely settle down to the average %.

 

[Yasuo]

The point is........16+% is not sustainable. 12-13% is WAY closer to the league average. And players, even if they have one super hot year scoring goals, will most likely settle down to the average %.

Yup Matthews is shooting 17,4% this year. He will probably regress next year right to 12% and score arround 30-35 goals right?

 

[Holymakinaw]

Yup Matthews is shooting 17,4% this year. He will probably regress next year right to 12% and score arround 30-35 goals right?

Yes, probably. 30-35 goals a year from Matthews would be perfect. I'm not foolish enough to expect 40-50 goals, each and every year.

 

[Yasuo]

Yes, probably. 30-35 goals a year from Matthews would be perfect. I'm not foolish enough to expect 40-50 goals, each and every year.

I don't know ton of leaf fans told me that he will score 45-50 next year lol. His shot per game is wayy down from last year, if he don't find a wayy to shoot more i don't know how 40+ is realistic

 

[Holymakinaw]

I don't know ton of leaf fans told me that he will score 45-50 next year lol. His shot per game is wayy down from last year, if he don't find a wayy to shoot more i don't know how 40+ is realistic

Given how few NHLers score 40 or more goals a year nowadays, it IS unrealistic to expect it. Matthews might have a few more 40 goal seasons in him. But more likely, is that he'll have a ton of 30-35 goal seasons.

40+ will be the exception, not the norm.

 

[GodEmperor]

Tossup:
Boeser will be the better goal scorer AINEC
Marner will be the better playmaker AINEC

I can see Boeser hitting 50 a few times and maybe even 60 once.

I can see Marner putting up 30-50 most years and maybe even 35-65 once or a few times.

Both great players, we will have to see how they develop, right now I would give a slight nod to Mitch for being in the NHL before Brock.

 

[Territory]

I don't know ton of leaf fans told me that he will score 45-50 next year lol. His shot per game is wayy down from last year, if he don't find a wayy to shoot more i don't know how 40+ is realistic

If you look at his shot location and shot distance you wouldn't be surprised by his high shooting%.

 

[Menzinger]

Yup Matthews is shooting 17,4% this year. He will probably regress next year right to 12% and score arround 30-35 goals right?

Look at his shooting locations

He’s sh% likely will regress a bit but he has high shot generation from high danger areas. That + his amazing shot is a formula that will keep his goal scoring well above 40 for most years in his prime

 

[Elias Pettersson]

1. I wasn't aware that the Draft Lottery was already held, Congrats to the Canucks for getting 1st overall.
2. You are assuming all prospects work out? Also outside of EP they do not currently have any other blue chip prospects (Goalies are so hard to gauge that I almost never consider any of them blue chip status although Demko looks really good).
3. You have no way of knowing if they pick Top 5 in either draft as there is a Lottery.

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong

SAD!