Mitch Marner Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by saffronleaf, Oct 22, 2019.

  1. Aus34Matt

    Aus34Matt Registered User

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    Fully agree. I think is is exactly what I think most fans "hating" on this team really feel.. well said.
     
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    What a tragic indictment of or education system that someones math skills would allow them to think this . This years numbers are actually close to last year not his rookie year bud , Math it's fundamental - Fun Da Mental .
     
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    And is a much much more valuable player.
    We are the only team in the league paying a winger (who clearly does not drive his line or score goals) $11 million a year
     
  4. BertCorbeau

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    Mostly referring back to Junior.
     
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    Well they have $15.9 mill in project cap space next off-season. Dermott + Sandin + Lily (the latter two should be on the team) are making probably in the $5 million ballpark collectively. That leaves $10.9 million for the remainder.

    Marner's been a high end player for a good portion of his career so moving him because of a slight overpay isn't the way to go. If you look at Draisaitl's contract - which was an overpay at the time - and how that looks today with his play I would say Mitch can follow that sort of ability to grow into the contract to make it look reasonable. It won't be the bargain that Draisaitl's looks now, but Mitch's deal could be seen as justified with a certain level of production.

    The point being is was looked like a gross overpay at the time has worked out because the Oiler's paid for the potential that Draisaitl is reaching. That's what we're hoping for with Mitch.
     
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    I don't know about that. They are BOTH overpaid in a big way.
     
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    This is blatantly false
     
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    That's not really a legitimate excuse. If you're a playmaking winger and you're on a line with teammates with whom you have less experience playing with, dumb it down, make crisp clean decisions and cut out all the telepathic nonsense you can try with your other long term linemates. There's no excuse here.
     
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    PromisedLand SERENITY NOW! (Leafs making me crazy)

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    perhaps besides Crosby and McDavid no other player in the entire league is capable of doing it on their own
     
  10. Stamkos4life

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    I have no idea what you are talking about. Care to be a little more clear?
     
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    He isn't providing much to this team right now.
     
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    do you watch games? or only make agenda-driven posts. He set up 3 great chances tonight (petan blown chance, the play where he protected the puck and gave to I think Tavares who passed to goat in front of the net and he blew it and the Matthews one-timer on the pp). He also had several shifts (his line and him) were able to hold the puck and kept the possession going, they had the big shift in the 2nd where the comeback began. Had multiple good plays on the penalty kill.

    Marner was a top 3 forward tonight, better than 88 and 34, he has had games where he was similar to those two and got points but was not great. Overall he has been a top 2 forward on the year and has been playing great hockey. Your posts are so far from reality it is hard to take them as anything but blatant lies.
     
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    You just sully yourself. Nothing more.
     
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    He looked great on the PK tonight
     
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    Make some nice plays first couple periods, bit too cute in the third. He and Mikheyev both looked good on the PK.
     
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    Made some plays tonight but I'd still like to see a bit more dominance from him .. He's getting there though.
     
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    He wasn't helped a great deal by his center tonight.

    He was okay.
     
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    Thats what they said about Bozak and Tavares. An 11 million dollar player should be able to lift his linemate up.
     
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    Marner is paid like a superstar.

    If he can't perform like one then the team is in serious trouble.
     
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    Regarding what I said earlier, I think some people misconstrue. Not liking what we see is fine, all kinds of criticism is fine. There are things I loathe with how we play too.

    My point was: Don't let that be all that matters for you, and please don't let that be the only thing you bring to the boards. For your own sake and ours.
     
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    More on topic, I'm starting to think that the main issue with Marner right now is off the puck. Last season he was a shark jumping on loose pucks left and right. He doesn't quite do that this season. The dominance becomes flashes because he doesn't have the puck on his stick as much.

    He did have some flashes tonight. The things that annoyed me so much in the first 10ish games are largely gone. His play 5v6 annoyed me though. I think he had the puck on his stick four times in his shift and on three of them it got turned over inside the blue line, and the last didn't get across the red line.
     
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    Some people are driven by winning and some money etc. The identity of this team seems to be that of a talented group of players that wanted to financially secure themselves. The primary goal was achieved and so the motivating factor is article B, winning. The core support group looks to the leaders and the leaders are preserving wealth and their health above doing what it takes to win on a game to game basis.

    Seen it many times and it's a sad state of affairs. The only thing left is for the group to redefine themselves and get over the finances and put their focus on each other and working hard with sacrifice to win.
     
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    Here's a good barometer I think. We're all Leafs fans, so anytime someone scores, contributes, makes a nice play, it's a positive, full stop. If somewhere in your psyche you're actually unhappy a player succeeded that helped the team you supposedly love, you've now lost the plot completely. Critiques, criticism, debating certain stats, but at the end of the day, a player's success is invariably the Leafs success, so that should supercede all. Don't be so insecure, we're all just passengers here.
     
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    ACC1224 Keeping it real, someone has to.

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    He had 1 giveaway and 5 takeaways recorded last night.

    https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/game/los-angeles-kings-toronto-maple-leafs-20191105#/home
     
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    He is now the TOP player in the league on takeaways, a full 4 clear of second. This is one of the glaring problems with the critics, they're just ignoring what doesn't suit their "narratives". Marner was very effective last night, the 5 takeaways aren't an accident, it's a testament to working your goddam ass off.

    Again TOPS in the league on a pure hustle category.
     
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