Mitch Marner Discussion Thread

[Vinsanity89]

This looks about right both eye-test and stats-wise.

Leafs GAR leaders:

Jake Muzzin - 6.3
Auston Matthews - 3.3
Ilya Mikheyev - 2.5
William Nylander - 2.0
Andreas Johnsson - 1.8

Mitch Marner has -1.0, Morgan Rielly has -0.8, and Tyson Barrie has -3.6

 

[axlrose87]

This is blatantly false

In your opinion..... there are also several people on this board who would tell you that it is completely true

 

[MyBudJT]

In your opinion..... there are also several people on this board who would tell you that it is completely true

Its not an opinion. Just because you say that Marner is the only winger getting 11M doesn't make it true.

1) Marner's AAV is < 11M
2) There is this Russian guy named Panarin that gets nearly 750K more

 

[IPS]

Still stuck wanting to see a lot more out of Marner. Though he has looked better...

 

[axlrose87]

Its not an opinion. Just because you say that Marner is the only winger getting 11M doesn't make it true.

1) Marner's AAV is < 11M
2) There is this Russian guy named Panarin that gets nearly 750K more

Reread my post. I stated pretty clearly that we are the only team paying that money to a player who can’t score.... I think he is on pace for 21.... wow
And yes, you’re right, there is one player (a ufa) making more.... so it is justified now I guess

 

[MyBudJT]

Reread my post. I stated pretty clearly that we are the only team paying that money to a player who can’t score.... I think he is on pace for 21.... wow
And yes, you’re right, there is one player (a ufa) making more.... so it is justified now I guess

Lol. Now you’re twisting your own, blatantly false statement

 

[axlrose87]

Lol. Now you’re twisting your own, blatantly false statement

Go back and read it

 

[HappyJoy]

Lol. Now you’re twisting your own, blatantly false statement

If I had the same loose relationship with the truth as you I'd not be so quick to call other people liars, Buddy.

 

[MyBudJT]

If I had the same loose relationship with the truth as you I'd not be so quick to call other people liars, Buddy.

I encourage you to freshen up on the forum rules:

Posting Rules:
1) Flaming: Critique the opinion, not the person. Personal attacks against members are not permitted. Report flaming, do not respond to it. Counter-flaming is also prohibited.

If you ever see me post anything that is a blatant lie, feel free to call it out. All I was doing was calling out a blatantly false statement.

Its important to hold people accountable for their words IMO, but there is a line where you shouldn't go ahead and call out the poster themselves, just their statements/opinions.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

This looks about right both eye-test and stats-wise.

Leafs GAR leaders:

Jake Muzzin - 6.3
Auston Matthews - 3.3
Ilya Mikheyev - 2.5
William Nylander - 2.0
Andreas Johnsson - 1.8

Mitch Marner has -1.0, Morgan Rielly has -0.8, and Tyson Barrie has -3.6

Curious where Ceci is and does this include all situations?

 

[MyBudJT]

Go back and read it

I did.

You state the following:

And is a much much more valuable player.
We are the only team in the league paying a winger (who clearly does not drive his line or score goals) $11 million a year

The bolded is blatantly false for several reasons... I'll try to be more clear this time...

1) We are not paying a winger $11 million a year.
2) Marner does clearly have the ability to drive his line, as shown with Tavares out, and when he played with Kadri.
3) Leafs aren't the only team paying a winger in the neighbourhood of 11M. The rangers have Panarin who isn't as good as Marner.

Panarin also isn't a significantly better goal scorer. Panarin's career high is 31. Marner's is 26... which he got as a 21 year old...

Do you now see the issues with your statement?

 

[Walshy7]

I did.

You state the following:



The bolded is blatantly false for several reasons... I'll try to be more clear this time...

1) We are not paying a winger $11 million a year.
2) Marner does clearly have the ability to drive his line, as shown with Tavares out, and when he played with Kadri.
3) Leafs aren't the only team paying a winger in the neighbourhood of 11M. The rangers have Panarin who isn't as good as Marner.

Panarin also isn't a significantly better goal scorer. Panarin's career high is 31. Marner's is 26... which he got as a 21 year old...

Do you now see the issues with your statement?

this is hilariously pedantic coming from a poster who routinely calls people out for saying Nylander earns $6.9M and usually calls him a $7M player. He earns $7,000 less than $11M that is an $11M player if we are going to hold the same standards as have been argued in Nylanders discussion

 

[MyBudJT]

this is hilariously pedantic coming from a poster who routinely calls people out for saying Nylander earns $6.9M and usually calls him a $7M player. He earns $7,000 less than $11M that is an $11M player if we are going to hold the same standards as have been argued in Nylanders discussion

Its simple rounding.

6.962 rounds to 7, not 6.9.

Using Nylander's comparable, 10.893 rounds to 10.9 not 11....

Its weird that this has to be explained.

How is 10.893M only $7000 less than 11M?

edit: You'd have a point if I was calling Marner a 10.8M player, but I'm not, nor have I ever done that.

 

[Nithoniniel]

He had 1 giveaway and 5 takeaways recorded last night.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/game/los-angeles-kings-toronto-maple-leafs-20191105#/home

There I am, all wrong again. It's amazing how confirmation bias works sometimes.

He is now the TOP player in the league on takeaways, a full 4 clear of second. This is one of the glaring problems with the critics, they're just ignoring what doesn't suit their "narratives". Marner was very effective last night, the 5 takeaways aren't an accident, it's a testament to working your goddam ass off.

Again TOPS in the league on a pure hustle category.

I'd say that in Marner's case, it's a testament to terrific hockey IQ more than anything. He gets a lot of those takeaways by reading the play and jumping in just at the right moment.

 

[Nithoniniel]

I think it's usually better to use away stats for takeaways though, as the rink biases can be something enormous.

 

[Matthews34]

Make some nice plays first couple periods, bit too cute in the third. He and Mikheyev both looked good on the PK.

Against the worst PP in the league I'd hope so!!! Some of you fans are too easy to please!!!

 

[DarkKnight]

Against the worst PP in the league I'd hope so!!! Some of you fans are too easy to please!!!

More exclamation marks.

 

[Matthews34]

More exclamation marks.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Its simple rounding.

6.962 rounds to 7, not 6.9.

Using Nylander's comparable, 10.893 rounds to 10.9 not 11....

Its weird that this has to be explained.

How is 10.893M only $7000 less than 11M?

edit: You'd have a point if I was calling Marner a 10.8M player, but I'm not, nor have I ever done that.

 

[Walshy7]

Its simple rounding.

6.962 rounds to 7, not 6.9.

Using Nylander's comparable, 10.893 rounds to 10.9 not 11....

Its weird that this has to be explained.

How is 10.893M only $7000 less than 11M?

edit: You'd have a point if I was calling Marner a 10.8M player, but I'm not, nor have I ever done that.

yeah that’s my bad for some reason I thought it was $10.993M and was basing the rounding off of that.

 

[Walshy7]

I think it's usually better to use away stats for takeaways though, as the rink biases can be something enormous.

ive noticed some of marners passes have been way off what we expect of him so far this early season. Players having to stretch to receive a pass and can’t do anything but knock it forward. He passed to Mikheyev and he stretched tapped it and the kings took it away, In That scenario who gets the give away against? It’s harsh on Mikheyev but at the same time marner didn’t truly give it away? Or is just not counted as a give away maybe?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Marner will go on a tear here right away and the rest will follow. He wants and will lead the team in scoring again!! Right now he is trailing Matthews. Let the inside competition begin

 

[DarkKnight]

Two more takeaways last night for the league leader, Panarin, O’Reilly, Stone next...not bad company.

 

[The90]

Can we all take a minute to appreciate that the marner tavares and Hyman line of last year is about to be back?

They’ve been a shell of what they were last year without the puck hound that is Hyman

 

[MyBudJT]

Thanks for pointing out what everyone is clearly thinking..... pedantic is the perfect word to describe his responses.
That cost $0.99 not $1 !!!!!!

Go troll elsewhere dude... he already conceded he was mistaken.