Missed Icing? Sweden vs. Russia. + Lehner Reaction

[LOGAN29]

What a sucky little ****. Grow up boy, this is not the first time things won't go your way, and blaming won't help. Take it like a man and play again. YOU made plenty of mistakes in "A tournament like this" as well. It was a crappy call, but learn from it and next time play till the whistle.

I agree with you...I am a goalie that played at a high level and I have never gone down on my knees for a icing and assumed it was going to be called. Icings get waved off all the time and refs make mistakes. You have to play to the whistle and that was a very poor effort for a save by Lehner... I think he is mad because he very easily could have had that if he had been ready.

 

[CarlWinslow]

And we used 'the system' to get us in the pool of death with the Swedes and Russians? And 'the system' helped Kassian get a 2 game suspension for a hit to the head call, while a hit to the head tonight by a US player on Cizikas broke his visor, yet no penalty was even called. If Canada controlled 'the system', they would have had the New Years Eve game in the evening for TV ratings - but that didn't happen, did it. You sound like Lehner's speech writer - when you lose, just blame Canada. Any other conspiracy theories?

This. We also got called for being in the vicinity when a US player high sticked his own goalie. People love to whine about Canada despite us often getting a raw deal.

 

[Hackett]

It was a bad call, and lehner has every right to be frustrated. Unfortunately, he went a little overboard when he included Canada into the discussion.

But lets also remember that these guys are still kids at the end of the day. I probably wouldnt have handled the situation very well if I were in his shoes at that age.

 

[CarlWinslow]

At 44 seconds the defenseman makes no effort to play the puck, at this point the linesman decides to wave the icing. When he sees the goalie squatting for no apparent reason he starts yelling no, no, no.

Could it have been called icing? Sure, but it was a borderline call at best.

Exactly. The Swedish defenseman probably couldn't have gotten to the puck cleanly but he doesn't even try and let's it go. That is why it is waved off.

 

[Booom]

poor call but I didn't care for the Swedish players comments throughout the tournament.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

It was the opposite linesman who waved off the icing, the one you see in the freeze frame with his arm up wasn't the one to wave it off.

Of course it wasn't; I never said it was. The guy who didn't have his arm up needs to make a up his mind on that call when the puck reaches the top of the circle in Sweden's zone. Seeing as there was no race for the puck that would've jeopardized player safety, it's not like he had to make a judgment call; he was lazy on the play, and it cost Sweden a goal, and arguably a shot at the gold.

EDIT: My mistake, he does wave the icing well in advance. My argument thus far is null/void. That being said, penalizing Erixon for turning the wrong way and taking a better angle with respect to defensive positioning and his ability to retrieve the puck in the long run makes absolutely no sense. That puck is by Erixon, and short of him diving into the boards, it's a difficult play to make just to touch the puck. Is he supposed to take himself out of the play to prevent a fairly simple icing call?

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I thought in the IIHF you didn't need to touch the puck for icing, hence the players pulling up and off. I could be wrong but that was my understanding of the rule.

 

[BigBadBread]

At 44 seconds the defenseman makes no effort to play the puck, at this point the linesman decides to wave the icing. When he sees the goalie squatting for no apparent reason he starts yelling no, no, no.

Could it have been called icing? Sure, but it was a borderline call at best.

You can clearly see at the 0:05 mark of that video the ref waving off the icing. The Puck was around the blueline. He screams NO NO NO but the Swedes just watch the puck.

They have noone to blame but themselves.

 

[Zam Boni]

At 44 seconds the defenseman makes no effort to play the puck, at this point the linesman decides to wave the icing. When he sees the goalie squatting for no apparent reason he starts yelling no, no, no.

Could it have been called icing? Sure, but it was a borderline call at best.

I disagree.
There is no way he can change direction and play the puck before it hits the boards. At full speed, you will see it is a pretty hard pass and the puck is as close to the russian skater as to the swede (0:30-0.32). He did the right thing letting that puck by.

The rest of the play however, is a cluster**** of bad decision making on the parts of the swedes... :

I think it should have been an icing but in no way say it changed the outcome of the game. Sweden were up by a goal late in the game but again screwed things up and lost to a better team.

 

[Street Hawk]

I agree with you...I am a goalie that played at a high level and I have never gone down on my knees for a icing and assumed it was going to be called. Icings get waved off all the time and refs make mistakes. You have to play to the whistle and that was a very poor effort for a save by Lehner... I think he is mad because he very easily could have had that if he had been ready.

I think I see the problem.

At the 3 second mark of the above replay, the Linesman at the Russia blueline signaled icing. He's at the bottom of the screen.

However, at the 5 second mark, the other Linesman manning the Swedish blueline waved it off, but he's at the top of the screen.

Since the puck was coming down the bottom of the screen to Lehner's left, he apparently didn't look to his right for the signal from the Linesman at the Swedish blueline.

So, while you can argue whether it should have been icing, you can't say that the Linesman didn't give the wave off signal, which he clearly did at the 5 second mark.

It was a very tough play for Lehner, as the angle with which the puck come off the boards, he had to watch it to make sure it wasn't on the net. So, he must have seen the Linesmen at the Russian blueline signal for the icing, but he missed looking to his right for the linesman at the Swedish blueline wave it off. Again, with the angle that the puck came off the boards, he had to keep his eyes on the puck.

Icings are like Blackjack at a casino. You have to watch for the hand signals as a dealer, either tap the mat for another card or wave over your cards to stay.

 

[mickelson82]

I think it was a good non call, Erixon was lazy on the play whether he could have reached it or not, if he had of made ANY effort at all then it would have been icing for sure. He was lazy

Lehner never quit on the play, he realized that it wasn't going to be icing early enough and was able to track the puck from one side to the other, then he got deked out of his pants plain and simple. It's not like he got scored on by surprise.

 

[Everlasting]

Its the refs fault. And the deffenders fault.

The refs was too late to call it of and the deffenders stopped playing even when there was no call.

 

[Street Hawk]

Its the refs fault. And the deffenders fault.

The refs was too late to call it of and the deffenders stopped playing even when there was no call.

What? The refs fault? Did you not see the Youtube video on posts 108?

At the 5 second mark, the linesman at the Swedish blueline (top of the screen) is waving off the icing. At the 3 second mark, the linesman at the Russian blueline has his arm up for icing, but 2 seconds later the other linesman, who has final say on that icing, since he's on the Swedish blueline is waving it off.

Again, just unfortunate circumstances for Sweden because of the linesman who originally signaled icing was on Lehner's left, while the other linesmen, who waved it off was to Lehner's right. Factor in the trajectory of the puck off the boards to Lehner's left, he has to keep his eyes on the puck. Probably missed the linesman wave it off.

 

[JAK]

The refs and the Swedish players were both at fault,

but let's be reality, you speak out like that against the IIHF, the officials, and use profanity on TV?

I wouldn't be surprised at fines and suspensions.
Wouldn't that be fun, speak out and gets suspended for the Bronze game, team loses it as well.

 

[sjmay*]

. He did the right thing letting that puck by.

Right there is EXACTLY why it was waived off.

That play is waived off every day in the AHL, NHL, Juniors, local beer league and women's league,

Erixon had no intention of trying to play the puck and that is a criteria of icing, you HAVE TO TRY FOR IT, as far as pivoting, pivoting and turning your back to the play, will almost always result in icing being waived off

 

[Nordic*]

The swede D didn't make any effort at all to catch the puck off the boards. You have to try and get it, not just let it pass and assume it is icing.

They assumed it was icing, you know, since the ref screamed out that it was. Why continue chasing a puck when the ref says the game will be dead anyway?

 

[pouskin74*]

They assumed it was icing, you know, since the ref screamed out that it was. Why continue chasing a puck when the ref says the game will be dead anyway?

no no no

 

[sjmay*]

They assumed it was icing, you know, since the ref screamed out that it was. Why continue chasing a puck when the ref says the game will be dead anyway?

LOL I dunno, maybe because the rules say you have to for it to be icing?

 

[Hybbe]

I agree with McKenzie, but ultimately, Erixon and Nemeth were both right there and should've made a better play.

Lehner should act better in defeat as well.

All in all I'm just very dissappointed with the swedes. The first two were awful and everyone except maybe Fasth, A. Larsson and J. Klingberg were underperforming.

 

[SilverSeven]

At 44 seconds the defenseman makes no effort to play the puck, at this point the linesman decides to wave the icing. When he sees the goalie squatting for no apparent reason he starts yelling no, no, no.

Could it have been called icing? Sure, but it was a borderline call at best.

He wasnt kneeling for no reason. He was kneeling because the puck nearly went in the net. He was playing it safe, as you should in a 1 game elimination. The ref realized he was late on the call and started yelling.

This doesnt excuse anyone on the ice from stopping early. Never do that. But they are kids, so whatever.

So so SOOOO sick of swedes whining about Canada though. I love nothing more than beating them. Such whiny little babies. The players, the coaches, the federation, the media, the fans, the posters on here.....just insane. They could learn a thing or two from fans of every other country.

 

[ARS]

The icing call was waived off way too late, should've been an icing.

 

[Fregus]

Wow what a embarrassing comment by Lehner, we've only got ourselfs to blame for this loss. Face it like a man for ****'s sake!

 

[sjmay*]

The icing call was waived off way too late, should've been an icing.

The icing was waived off when the puck was on the north side of the red line, when do you want him to waive it off, before it's shot?

 

[Riddarn]

Pretty iffy call, but it was Nemeth and Erixon who screwed up. I can understand Lehner (and any other swedish player) if they react towards it. There are plenty of icing calls every game where it would be more justified to waive the icing off than it was in this situation. If icings were consistently waived off on the same criteria as in this case then I'd have no trouble with this at all.

Still, the goal was caused mainly by our defenders stopping on the play. That is inexcusable.

 

[ranold26]