McDavid reaching the end of his rope?

[McJadeddog]

I'll probably start cheering for the Canucks tbh.

f*** that shit. Not a chance. I'll just be done with the NHL for good, never to come back.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I don't think it is that bad, without McD we'd still have Hall and Eberle on the team. Or were you referring to this team without McD (i.e. not replacing his 12.5M cap)? In that case I agree.

Yeah this team as is with no McDavid

 

[LaGu]

When we finish in the bottom-10 next year, which IS going to happen, McDavid will ask for a trade in the off-season. Yeah, I'll make a bet around that, name your terms.

If we finish bottom 10 (which I actually don't think we will) and McD does not demand a trade you have to remain positive for the first month of the reg season (20/21)!

For me, I don't know. Anything is ok really since I am convinced it won't happen, give me something.

 

[McJadeddog]

If we finish bottom 10 (which I actually don't think we will) and McD does not demand a trade you have to remain positive for the first month of the reg season (20/21)!

For me, I don't know. Anything is ok really since I am convinced it won't happen, give me something.

A standard "Jadeddog was right... again" avatar for a month, will suffice.

Everybody calls be a pessimist, but I've been right far more often than wrong. I railed against the Hall trade 10 seconds after it occurred, and people said I was over-reacting. Same with the Eberle trade, same with the Reinhart trade, same with almost every trade that Chia ever made actually. I've been wrong as well, I thought McDavid would be prolific in assists, but figured he'd have trouble scoring goals in the NHL. I also had some pretty negative thoughts about Drai after his first year. I also thought Schremp would be at least a PP specialist in the NHL. I also thought Gagner would be a 2nd line C for 10 years. But on the whole, I've been right. People will say "you are always negative, and the team sucks, so therefore probability is on your side". I would counter: "I am so negative BECAUSE the team sucks"

I'll put it in my bet board, and we'll talk again about it in April of 2020. I hope the bet doesn't even take place, because that means us finishing above 21st overall, but that isn't going to happen.

 

[Canovin]

Being a fan of the game, not just the oilers, I’d actually be happy. He has the chance to be probably the second best player to ever step foot on the ice, and he will have to spend what? Possibly 6 years with seeing the playoffs once? That’s saying the oilers are able to shake this toxic curse on them, which we’ve seen not happen for 13 years.

He could have such an amazing legacy to the game, and if Edmonton doesn’t figure it out within a year, they will completely waste his prime here trying to botch another rebuild

That's like your ex cheating on you and telling you the guy she cheated on you with is the better man and you still shamelessly follows and support her life while being single and depressed.

 

[Smartguy]

That's like your ex cheating on you and telling you the guy she cheated on you with is the better man and you still shamelessly follows and support her life while being single and depressed.

If I just finished beating her till she was nothing and damaged, good for her and I’m a POS who deserves it

 

[Panthera]

Given how hockey culture is when it comes to judging players based on "being winners", McDavid knows staying on a terrible team too long will basically result in his entire legacy being "loser" because people will never look past that he didn't win enough to see that his team was bad. I wouldn't blame him for asking for a trade at some point, and I do think it will happen eventually if things don't get better. Not this offseason and probably not next, but beyond that? No one wants to bust their ass pushing themselves harder and harder despite already being the best only to spend their entire retirement hearing about how lazy they were, and that's exactly what people will say about him if he doesn't end up on a team that at least goes deep in the playoffs a few times, whether it's here in Edmonton or not.

edit: And it's not like it hasn't started already, as the last two seasons have gone on it's become increasingly common to hear fans and the media talking about how McDavid must not "know how to win", must be a bad leader, must be lazy, must be the problem. If you don't think he's the reason this team sucks, you can probably see why he doesn't want to put up with this crap. It's just a question of whether or not his desire to prove he's good enough to overcome whatever is put in his path is stronger than his desire to not deal with this kind of garbage.

 

[9GWG9]

If it ever comes down to McDavid asking out maybe it was always in the cards.

And whatever about the loser label if he stays lol. If he runs when the chips are down he is a loser guaranteed.

 

[LaGu]

A standard "Jadeddog was right... again" avatar for a month, will suffice.

Everybody calls be a pessimist, but I've been right far more often than wrong. I railed against the Hall trade 10 seconds after it occurred, and people said I was over-reacting. Same with the Eberle trade, same with the Reinhart trade, same with almost every trade that Chia ever made actually. I've been wrong as well, I thought McDavid would be prolific in assists, but figured he'd have trouble scoring goals in the NHL. I also had some pretty negative thoughts about Drai after his first year. I also thought Schremp would be at least a PP specialist in the NHL. I also thought Gagner would be a 2nd line C for 10 years. But on the whole, I've been right. People will say "you are always negative, and the team sucks, so therefore probability is on your side". I would counter: "I am so negative BECAUSE the team sucks"

I'll put it in my bet board, and we'll talk again about it in April of 2020. I hope the bet doesn't even take place, because that means us finishing above 21st overall, but that isn't going to happen.

Agreed! You're on!

Heavy toll for you having to be positive for a month and heavy for me since I've pledged to never have an avatar.


... and to be clear, I think you're the best pessimist around (and I actually mean that in a good way). I don't know when, but years ago you explained your position to me (or someone else while I was lurking, cannot remember) and I thought it was a good and honest take. Don't know why but that has stuck with me even though I cannot remember the exact words you used.

 

[McFlash97]

Oilers made a terrible mistake hiring MacTavish as GM then Chiarelli right after. It's set them back tremendously. These are clowns. The Oilers will get it right and eventually rise with 97. Take their licks for this year.

 

[McJadeddog]

Agreed! You're on!

Heavy toll for you having to be positive for a month and heavy for me since I've pledged to never have an avatar.


... and to be clear, I think you're the best pessimist around (and I actually mean that in a good way). I don't know when, but years ago you explained your position to me (or someone else while I was lurking, cannot remember) and I thought it was a good and honest take. Don't know why but that has stuck with me even though I cannot remember the exact words you used.

Haha, I'd LOVE to be genuinely positive for a month. I'd prefer the entire season to be honest, but that would require the OBC being fired and competent management being put in place, so I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I appreciate the words/thoughts. I know I can be grating at times, as I harp on the negatives. I really would like to talk about the positives, but they are so far and few on this team. It's why I'm a big fan of the "McPoints movement", as it at least gives us something to cheer for when our team is inevitably out of the playoffs come January/February. I can't cheer for lottery picks anymore, as I've done that for too many years and being burnt so often (Yak/Pulj, hell even Gagner to a degree), so McPoints is basically all I have. I've really enjoyed following the Condors this year, and you can't help but be a little excited about some of those guys down there, regardless of their potential deficiencies when/if they make the NHL.

 

[coastalview]

McDavid can eat one if he demands a trade. He signed for $100mil and is not entitled to crap, he needs to be a more vocal leader and play both ways. For $100 Mil he needs to be better and lead this team into a winning record regardless of who his line mates are. No more pouty face.

like most players
i suspect mcdavid signed his contract
expecting management to place him on an nhl team
has that really happened?

how many nhl players do the oilers really have now?
4 or 5? realistically how many good prospects do they have? 2 ?
he is playing short handed in terms of team support
he is being given no chance to develop or succeed on even an average nhl team

without him this team would be absolutely in last place in the nhl
does he want another 7 years of this?
you think this is what he signed his 8 year contract for ?
management really told him this is what he was signing up for ?
ok then

 

[dirtisdirt]

Trading McDavid is so difficult. Everyone knows what it will mean to the Oilers and the City of Edmonton. And that is sad. But for the team trying to acquire him it isn't going to be a cakewalk. Any framework of a deal will involve serious young talent that most teams don't have or will want to give up, even for Connor. They are all going to offer futures and prospects which presumably won't work for the Oilers. There really aren't that many teams that can afford to take him on. And then trade away the talent they need to help him progress. I don't envy the new GM, the old GM or the OBC if it happens.

 

[DerpMorg]

If we even entertaining trading him, there’s only two or three teams with the players and prospects that would make it worth it.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

If we even entertaining trading him, there’s only two or three teams with the players and prospects that would make it worth it.

I don't even care about the logo on the chest anymore. Katz sure as hell doesn't.

I want to see McDavid win Harts and cups and set records.

I'm sure Toronto will give us like 6x firsts to go with whatever cap dump.

 

[Soundwave]

If we even entertaining trading him, there’s only two or three teams with the players and prospects that would make it worth it.

Toronto would offer Matthews. McDavid + Tavares + Marner + Reilly + Kadri = a Cup or two at least.

Not that will happen but that deal is probably on the table any time the Oilers want.

 

[Gret99zky]

NHL Superstar AND prophet.

 

[yababy]

Won’t happen.

How many times did Lemieux and Yzerman make the playoffs when they were young?

Did they ever ask for a trade?

This is 97’s team. He WANTS to turn it around and he will.

There was no salary cap in that era, same with Iginla. Teams could buy their way out of a mess. Add a Paul Coffey, cicarrelli, Murphy or Joe Mullen as you please because that high salary means nothing.
Oilers are screwed.

In the new NHL you have to draft, develop, get cheap superstar salaries and stay away from UFA signing.
Oilers have broken every rule

 

[Kaptah]

I think Hitch is playing McD and Draisaitl too much. Yes they get their points with a 25 minute icetime, but this prevents other players getting into rhytm.

 

[Tyrolean]

I think Hitch is playing McD and Draisaitl too much. Yes they get their points with a 25 minute icetime, but this prevents other players getting into rhytm.

That's because the other players are garbage.

 

[rboomercat90]

Trading McDavid is so difficult. Everyone knows what it will mean to the Oilers and the City of Edmonton. And that is sad. But for the team trying to acquire him it isn't going to be a cakewalk. Any framework of a deal will involve serious young talent that most teams don't have or will want to give up, even for Connor. They are all going to offer futures and prospects which presumably won't work for the Oilers. There really aren't that many teams that can afford to take him on. And then trade away the talent they need to help him progress. I don't envy the new GM, the old GM or the OBC if it happens.

Keep in mind that money coming in will have to match money going out. We likely see a return with lots of draft picks coming back and a player return less attractive than what Gretzky fetched. It will be a difficult deal to make. Likely even more disappointing than Pronger’s trade.

 

[McShogun99]

I think Hitch is playing McD and Draisaitl too much. Yes they get their points with a 25 minute icetime, but this prevents other players getting into rhytm.

I say f*** the rest of the forward group. Just play RNH-Mcdavid-Draisaitl as a line and play them 25+ minutes. The rest of the losers just need to not get scored on for the 35ish minutes that they're on the ice. Make them trap like they're defending a 1 goal lead in game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. Every time they get the puck they just skate it to center, dump it in with only one player chasing it and go back to defending.

 

[PaPaDee]

I think Hitch is playing McD and Draisaitl too much. Yes they get their points with a 25 minute icetime, but this prevents other players getting into rhytm.

Have you seen the other players? We have no depth options.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Don't worry guys. Kevin and Craig are on it.....like they have for the last 2 decades

 

[Aceboogie]

I hope McDavid goes to Arizona or Carolina. Both teams I would love to watch him on

I do have a feeling he could wind up in Florida. They have pieces like Ekblad (super overrated but the next dumbo Katz hires will love to get him) and Huberdeau, so I think could start a package with that

Weirdly enough, I also wouldnt mind seeing him in New York on the Islanders. I think he could get the fame and recognition he deserves there