No clue why, but I've always had a gut feeling that Duchene wants to stay.
Because he told us that he did after his exit interviews.
No clue why, but I've always had a gut feeling that Duchene wants to stay.
No one thought he was worth the asking price.
We pony'd up.
He doesn't owe us but I am sure he is very grateful and isn't opposed to staying as long as he gets paid properly and believes in the plan going forward
Wrong, I think he was well worth the trade. a first, Turris, and a second tier prospect. I'd do that every day.
It's an even worse trade if our team would have been significantly better with Turris...
We then gave up a tremendous of assets to become a worse team.
That's what I said: no one else thought he was worth it
Because he told us that he did after his exit interviews.
Tavares told the islanders the same thing.
No, Duchene told all of us in a media interview, said he heard the plan and wanted to be a part of it. JT never said any of that.
“I want to stay on Long Island … I haven’t thought about being anywhere except with the Islanders,” he said to Newsday’s Arthur Staple.
Yup, that's what every single players says, and what you have to say in an interview before you head out to UFA unless you want to be crucified on the spot.
The difference is that Duchene went a lot farther and explained how happy he was and how PD outlined the future plan for the team and how he wanted to be a part of it going forward. He essentially said he wanted to be part of the solution to the **** show that is the Sens right now.
That is a few steps beyond the answer one has to give on the way out the door.
Duchene gave the exact same platitudes. "I like the city, the direction, everyone wants to win... blah blah blah." What everyone would say.
Besides, how detailed a plan could Dorion really have shared? Think of all the unknowns at the time Duchene gave that interview:
• Boucher's status
• Where Ottawa would pick in the draft (the "plan" would probably change if we landed Dahlin)
• What teams would be willing to trade for Karlsson
• What Stone would ask for
And that doesn't even include the Hoffman situation.
It's not like Dorion had some big powerpoint ready for Duchene. He probably said something like, "we want to get younger and play faster," and Duchene thought that was fine.
Of course. But if a player not longer wants to be there, for whatever reason, it's unhealthy to keep him... on both the player's side and the room side.What Andy may want, Andy may not get!
He really didn't at all. Go back and listen to it. Anyways, Pierre would obviously have outlined the team possibly going forward without EK, since that was common knowledge, and given how toxic the room was, and how the players knew why, it's safe to say that Hoffman's departure may also have been discussed. There is a lot of things that could be specifically discussed, these interviews are pretty detailed and cover a whole range of team specific topics. Your characterization of 'the plan' is disingenuous at best obviously.
We were never likely to land Dahlin, and the plan would not change depending on who we drafted, come on now, that's silly.
Either way I think we're done here, there really is no point in discussing things further when one party sees things in the worst light, and the other not so much. I won't begrudge the way you feel given that the EM is terrible and EK looks to be leaving, and the mood around here is a speedy struggle to the bottom, but it's not what I see.
I'm not emotionally invested enough to let these things ruin my day. I like the Sens, and when crumby things happen I'm like 'oh well' and look to the positives and silver linings, given that it's all out of my control. That's not a high horse thing as often accused of, but rather an opportunity to consider that I have a different perspective. While my glasses are certainly rose tinted towards my favourite team, I can actually see through them as they're not covered in mud
Duchene is a real shinny silver lining, and his interview at the end of the season was really positive, unless you try your best to spin it otherwise.
He really didn't at all. Go back and listen to it. Anyways, Pierre would obviously have outlined the team possibly going forward without EK, since that was common knowledge, and given how toxic the room was, and how the players knew why, it's safe to say that Hoffman's departure may also have been discussed. There is a lot of things that could be specifically discussed, these interviews are pretty detailed and cover a whole range of team specific topics. Your characterization of 'the plan' is disingenuous at best obviously.
We were never likely to land Dahlin, and the plan would not change depending on who we drafted, come on now, that's silly.
Either way I think we're done here, there really is no point in discussing things further when one party sees things in the worst light, and the other not so much. I won't begrudge the way you feel given that the EM is terrible and EK looks to be leaving, and the mood around here is a speedy struggle to the bottom, but it's not what I see.
I'm not emotionally invested enough to let these things ruin my day. I like the Sens, and when crumby things happen I'm like 'oh well' and look to the positives and silver linings, given that it's all out of my control. That's not a high horse thing as often accused of, but rather an opportunity to consider that I have a different perspective. While my glasses are certainly rose tinted towards my favourite team, I can actually see through them as they're not covered in mud
Duchene is a real shinny silver lining, and his interview at the end of the season was really positive, unless you try your best to spin it otherwise.
Wrong, I think he was well worth the trade. a first, Turris, and a second tier prospect. I'd do that every day.
We should know by now not to take things said by players and management in interviews as gospel, more often than not it's just guys going through the motions and saying the right things. Basically everything out of Ottawa's management has been this for the past 2 years, Dorion and Melnyk have been skimming the reality and truth to make it appease a subsection of fans who ate it up. Just read the Town Hall thread for a large dose of it.
And so much of that was because we were essentially missing our top D pairing and our goalies were both tire fires. We replaced Methot with a plug, and Karlsson was terrible until around game 50.I think it became obvious that when Turris went to Nashville he wasn't as good a player as many Sens fans thought. I was, and still am fine, with that trade.
Wrong, I think he was well worth the trade. a first, Turris, and a second tier prospect. I'd do that every day.
We gave up a heck of a lot more for Duchene than we got for better players (at the time) in Spezza or Heatley. We'll probably get as much or slightly more for Karlsson, who is 3 times the player that Duchene is. And we don't have a hope in hell of recouping what we gave up in trade just a few short months ago, no matter how pretty a ribbon we put around him. We got screwed, plain and simple.