Make a bold prediction
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The Zetterberg Era
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I hate the Brian Boyle comparison a ton. Brian Boyle has way less talent than Michael Rasmussen. It is just bad, especially at the same respective points in their hockey career.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Can you explain why you think this? Boyle was also drafted in the first round and scored 62 pts in 70 games in the AHL. Sure he's not high-skill in the NHL but it's not like he never showed any skill in lower leagues.
Frk It
Mo Seider Less Problems
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A good +1 season is great and all, but Larkin had one of the best +1 seasons development-wise I've seen and he put up a whopping 32 pts last year.
I'm hoping he has a great +1 season, specifically in the assist (primary assist at ES) dept, even though he wasn't my preferred pick (had ~5 guys ranked ahead of him).
But until he proves it at the NHL level, shouldn't expect anyone to eat any crow.
The bigger question is:
If he doesn't pan out, will the ones defending the pick now eat anything? Doubt it. There seems to be a bit of amnesia with regards to that. Even when posters can point to actual unedited posts making predictions and taking positions, it's cast as just unprincipled Holland bashing.
The Zetterberg Era
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Brian Boyle was a reach pick when he was taken in the first round, not a consensus first round pick. He was awkward in his body type, had sub par hands and sub par skating. To this day he has negative hands in terms of NHL talent. Brian Boyle has one season above 30 points and one season above 15 goals.
He isn't the offensive talent that Rasmussen is. He was comfortable passing and playing in front with near the same fluidity that Rasmussen has. Rasmussen's ability at similar stages isn't really comparable. He has much more in common with top 15 talents of years past. Big men that still have plus abilities. Not reaches you hope to mold. He starts in a better place he is just a better player. I guess time will tell but he compares to more talented big body players than Brian Boyle that much i am sure of at least to date. I don't like the comparison because I don't think Boyle has a half the offensive ability of Rasmussen.
He had a couple of nice NCAA seasons and a big one in the AHL. His following year he dipped back and hasn't been a plus offensive player really ever. 21 and 35 was really good considering his tool box, I expect more out of Rasmussen offensively even if he disappoints his draft slot he should be better than Boyle in the o zone by a considerable margin. Might not be him defensively but I just expect much better than Brian Boyle. He had a couple good series against us (where I think people think he is a little better than he is) and the guy is going to scrape his way to 700-800 NHL games but I don't think he is a great comparison.
Ennui
I like our team?
I really don't understand the Eeyore mentality with the Wings selecting Rasmussen at 9th. The majority of posters who have commented on the selection are either betting that he will be a bust or a 3rd or 4th line role player/power play specialist, almost as if they believe that he will develop no further, as if he has reached the extent of his growth. It's absolutely absurd, and that attitude completely ignores his innate skills, abilities, and the flurry of comments from scouting staff and coaches mentioning that he is singularly driven to become a better player, to analyze his faults and improve.
If players were done developing by their draft year, you wouldn't see big name pro players chosen in the second round, third round, etc. There would be no Getzlafs, no Ryan O'Reilly's or Shea Webers selected in later rounds, the player would have either shown their potential as a first-round worthy prospect or would be relegated to 4th line role work or the minor leagues.
Sure, there's absolutely no guarantee that Rasmussen will be a first line player, but there is similarly little to guarantee that he will be a bust. What's to say that his stats to date don't simply illustrate that he has yet to have a break-out year, or that he hasn't grown into his abilities yet?
Haven't Wings fans been hoping for a boom or bust player? He has the physical gifts and the skill where, if he does grow into that "boom" player, he's going to be dominating opposing players while in the body-type of an Eric Lindros or Brent Burns, and that's a force multiplier I'd absolutely love to have in our line-up. As for people like myself who support a disappointing pick eating crow -- I'd like to think that we are doing so already, paying for our hopes in advance. Vilardi was the popular pick, many here including myself are fairly certain that he will succeed, and I would have loved it if the Wings selected Vilardi, but they chose Rasmussen. I've made my peace with the pick, even if he turns out to be a bust; gambling on a high skill, dedicated young man like Rasmussen, with what he could become, is worth taking a flyer on.
/Rant
If players were done developing by their draft year, you wouldn't see big name pro players chosen in the second round, third round, etc. There would be no Getzlafs, no Ryan O'Reilly's or Shea Webers selected in later rounds, the player would have either shown their potential as a first-round worthy prospect or would be relegated to 4th line role work or the minor leagues.
Sure, there's absolutely no guarantee that Rasmussen will be a first line player, but there is similarly little to guarantee that he will be a bust. What's to say that his stats to date don't simply illustrate that he has yet to have a break-out year, or that he hasn't grown into his abilities yet?
Haven't Wings fans been hoping for a boom or bust player? He has the physical gifts and the skill where, if he does grow into that "boom" player, he's going to be dominating opposing players while in the body-type of an Eric Lindros or Brent Burns, and that's a force multiplier I'd absolutely love to have in our line-up. As for people like myself who support a disappointing pick eating crow -- I'd like to think that we are doing so already, paying for our hopes in advance. Vilardi was the popular pick, many here including myself are fairly certain that he will succeed, and I would have loved it if the Wings selected Vilardi, but they chose Rasmussen. I've made my peace with the pick, even if he turns out to be a bust; gambling on a high skill, dedicated young man like Rasmussen, with what he could become, is worth taking a flyer on.
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Yeah, but I don't think that's what Rasmussen is. Not at all, really. That's what someone like Suzuki or Liljegren were in this draft class, IMO.
I think Rasmussen is a high floor, lower ceiling guy. Safe bet to be at least a bottom 6er with his size, but I really don't see the skills to be more than a 2nd liner, barring some kind of explosion in his playmaking.
Getzlaf had .55 assists per game in his draft season which isn't that off from Rasmussen with .46 assists per game in his draft season. But Getzlaf had a huge jump to .95 assists per game in his +1 season. If Rasmussen shows similar progress we could be "cooking with oil", but I'm skeptical he's able to do that since his primary assist production at ES was alarmingly low. We will have to see. That's the biggest X factor to me about him. I like his goal scoring potential just fine.
Well if you think he is highly skilled, that's understandable, but that's the whole point of contention here.
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Ennui
I like our team?
Is it possible that he's just very good at being a net-front presence for Tri-City, but has way more potential than that?
Players have been misused before, see: Babcock, Blashill, etc.
Even if his performance and playing style to date was entirely on him, I don't get labeling him at this point, labeling him a success or a failure. He's a man with a million dollar toolbox, he may turn out to be a man without the competency to use those tools or he could turn out to be Bob Mother****** Villa. Who knows?
jkutswings
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Nobody knows at this point. But based on what the kid HAS done so far, I don't like the pick. YMMV.
As is often the case, it's not meant to be taken as a pure 1 to 1. More a point of describing a player of similar stature who carved out a career as 3rd liner. The worry is that the pick has that fate, which wouldn't be ideal for that position selected. Is that a bust? I mean, not of Yakupov level by any stretch.
Personally, I'd be OK if he was anywhere near Hanzal. This is the #9 pick, after all, not a golden ticket. The way you talk about him, I guess Getzlaf is the dream?
The Zetterberg Era
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I think Dale Andreychuk, a little poorer mans version but that is a heck of a player. Again I feel he has more offensive ability than Hanzal. I am not sure he can match those guys at all defensively though. We will see, he isn't going to pass the puck like Getzlaf, but he can be a dominate force down low. His understanding down in that area is really crazy for an 18 year old. We shall see, he has a big game and a lot of tools. I liked Necas more, but that isn't to say I don't think Rasmussen can be a big time player in this league. He has a lot of gifts, I refuse to give up on them just because our current management picked him.
Syckle78
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Nobody is giving up on him because of whom he was selected by. That's a weird statement. I haven't seen anyone question anything that isn't realistic.
Not much of a bold statement. He was already on his way last year to that... not sure if that was sarcasm.
My bold prediction for this year.
Trashill will figure out a way to get the most out of his players.
Oddbob
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1. Riley scores more goals than Gus.
2. Ben Street starts the year on the big club's roster.
3. We never get back into a playoff spot after the first week of November.
2. Ben Street starts the year on the big club's roster.
3. We never get back into a playoff spot after the first week of November.
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rhef3
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Larkin gets 65 points
Mantha scores 30 goals
AA has a great year with more minutes and is packaged for a top 3 defenseman.
Mantha scores 30 goals
AA has a great year with more minutes and is packaged for a top 3 defenseman.
Perfect Human
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Tatar scores 40 (15-20 on PP)
AA Scores 25 (12 breakaway goals)
Larkin scores 30 (3 shorties)
Mantha scores 30 (15 on PP)
AA Scores 25 (12 breakaway goals)
Larkin scores 30 (3 shorties)
Mantha scores 30 (15 on PP)
Hatter of the Beach
I’m the real hero
Wings will have an "unsustainable" good team this year, similar to the Avalanche and Dallas teams that had one good season, keeping us in the playoff hunt all year, due in part to tons of OT Losses, ensuring that even when our point totals are respectable, the on ice product is boring and stressful.
As we hover from 7-10th seed in the East, Holland decides to hold onto Mike Green at the TDL, and the Wings somehow squeek in as the 8th seed off an OT loss the final game. All Optimism is hoped though as we get Swept by Pittsburgh, getting outscored 16-2 in the series.
To make matters worse, Boston, the team we lost to in OT to clinch our spot, wins the lottery, in what could have been our ball slot.
High off making the playoffs, Holland trades our next two firsts to Minnesota for Eric Staal.
As we hover from 7-10th seed in the East, Holland decides to hold onto Mike Green at the TDL, and the Wings somehow squeek in as the 8th seed off an OT loss the final game. All Optimism is hoped though as we get Swept by Pittsburgh, getting outscored 16-2 in the series.
To make matters worse, Boston, the team we lost to in OT to clinch our spot, wins the lottery, in what could have been our ball slot.
High off making the playoffs, Holland trades our next two firsts to Minnesota for Eric Staal.
The bold prediction here is that we make a real deal hockey trade. According to that Custance video that was linked a couple days ago, the last one we did was like 2 decades ago.
Better yet, in the future, a more fair assessment of Rasmussen would be in comparison to how he does against picks that were made after him. If he turns out to be a bottom 6 player and guys taken after him (the highly touted ones, not the long shots that no one saw coming) can't even make it to NHL, that wouldn't be something to hold against Holland.
It's all moot in reality because no one has a crystal ball that looks into the future. There will be plenty of differing opinions and taking Rasmussen where we did, in comparison to where he was ranked, it's all a crap shoot. What's really at play here is the simple bias.
rhef3
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That is the bold prediction yes, I believe this is the year he makes a hockey trade for a defenseman and AA will be appealing to other teams.
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