Let's talk about the potential VGK goaltending tandems
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It's definitely a good option, but I think it's much more complicated than just concluding that - as one needs to consider the relative value of different exposed guys on each team, and positional selection requirements, etc.
NY2LV
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If you're talking about how we can get a quality skater from Washington or NY where as we can get a goalie from a team with not as good skaters then I agree. But I really like that combination of goalies.
Raanta and Grubauer we can only get in the draft. Raanta is more likely because Grubauer is RFA when we only have 10 picks without contract and who would want to have an arbitration case with a goalie. But if we use the draft as an auction we might trade both and I would be ok with that. We can get our goalies in July.
I would be happy if we can get Lehtonen for 1 year, DAL might give us an additional draft pick. Lehtonen was great when he didn't had to play starter workloads, a pretty good 1a. As a 1b we could get Pickard in the expansion draft and if we trade him we could get Nilsson in July, or Darling if he isn't too expensive and there will be many other options. There will always be opportunities on the goalie market, we should take advantage of them. Much better than giving $ and term to Bishop or any other goalie.
Yep - that's exactly what I mean. You have to consider the comparable value of #1 and #2-3 options on each team, and positional selection requirements, before really settling on who should be selected.
Gigantor The Goalie
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Then add in the trades that will be made and trying to guess who the goalies will be after the draft will be nearly impossible.
Beyond teams who might be willing to dump goalies to Vegas for Cheap(Dallas? Halak?) there is also the UFA market where Vegas can pick up a goalie or 2. For all we know next season Vegas might be starting off with Bishop or Ryan Miller as their starting goalie.
Donzo
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Assuming the reports of Sakic protecting Varlamov are true (which is nuts), Vegas would be smart to take Pickard and Grubauer, both because they are RFAs/will be RFAs after next year and because Colorado and Washington are unlikely to have anyone else exposed who is particularly enticing. But it depends how old school GMGM wants to be about having a veteran goalie for "stability," or if a team is offering assets to take on a bad goalie contract (e.g. Lehtonen).
I think so too, protecting Varlamov is nuts, good for us. Pickard seems to be a very sure draft pick and I would be happy to have him as a 1b, but there are still some other options. Less than 2 months left
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VanIslander
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Agreed.
I think Luongo or Reimer will be picked from the Panthers. Lu has starter money for just two more seasons, then is cheap thereafter, and can be traded freely until the end of next season, when a modified 5-team trade clause kicks in, perfect for the Knights to trade him at the deadline or commit to him for one more season.
I would be very happy with Pickard. Darling and Grubauer might not be better with the workload Pickard has played and they both are on much better teams. Pickard is even younger than them.
I guess FLA will protect Reimer. Drafting Luongo would be a big mistake because of his cap penalty once he retires. There are so many other options without such disadvantages.
Agree 100% - in my opinion it would take a lot of dangling carrots for VGK to consider taking Luongo.
theD86
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They must build from the back out. Goalie and top pairing defense. Should be some good gets in the draft for you guys.
Blue Goose
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When I ran my mock expansion draft, here's what I came up with:
Varlamov
Grubauer
Korpisalo
Ullmark
Now this was before I read the report that the Avs are protecting Varlamov (though I've never really trusted Adrian Dater, and he's the only one reporting it). If they do protect Varlamov, then you have to take Pickard, since the Avs don't really have much else to offer and Pickard will be one of the best young goalies out there.
Pickard just turned 25 and Grubauer turns 27 in November, but I see no harm in going with two young goalies and letting them battle it out - the Ducks did it with Hebert (26) and Shtalenkov (27) during their inaugural season, as did the Predators with Dunham (26) and Vokoun (22).
Ullmark and Korpisalo are both waiver-exempt for one more season, and could spend next year in the AHL. Then you have the option of trading whoever doesn't fit into your long-term plans if need be.
Rather have Grabner than Raanta.
I don't see the Florida goalies as an option. I'm convinced they're going to protect Reimer and then Luongo will come out and say that if Vegas picks him he'll just retire instead. He worked hard to get back to Florida, so I don't see him leaving - and I think the Panthers management knew that when they signed Reimer to that 5-year contract.
Varlamov
Grubauer
Korpisalo
Ullmark
Now this was before I read the report that the Avs are protecting Varlamov (though I've never really trusted Adrian Dater, and he's the only one reporting it). If they do protect Varlamov, then you have to take Pickard, since the Avs don't really have much else to offer and Pickard will be one of the best young goalies out there.
Pickard just turned 25 and Grubauer turns 27 in November, but I see no harm in going with two young goalies and letting them battle it out - the Ducks did it with Hebert (26) and Shtalenkov (27) during their inaugural season, as did the Predators with Dunham (26) and Vokoun (22).
Ullmark and Korpisalo are both waiver-exempt for one more season, and could spend next year in the AHL. Then you have the option of trading whoever doesn't fit into your long-term plans if need be.
Rather have Grabner than Raanta.
I don't see the Florida goalies as an option. I'm convinced they're going to protect Reimer and then Luongo will come out and say that if Vegas picks him he'll just retire instead. He worked hard to get back to Florida, so I don't see him leaving - and I think the Panthers management knew that when they signed Reimer to that 5-year contract.
Grubauer is 25 too, just 5 months older.
Grubauer, Korpisalo and Ullmark are all RFA, not so good.
Blue Goose
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No, he's got one more year at $1.65M. Rangers gave him a two-year deal last summer just to satisfy the expansion requirements - but then he had a fantastic season and likely raised his value. Thankfully, the Rangers have at least 7 better forwards to protect, so LV can hope it's not a one-year fluke. The expansion team will likely be devoid of top-flight talent/speed, so Grabner would be a good fit. And it's only a one-year commitment and low $$, so he can re-sign if it works in Vegas or get traded at the deadline for a pick.
From Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts...
11. Nick Kypreos has said for a while now that Vegas’s Pittsburgh pick will be Marc-Andre Fleury.
Hmm... believe i said that month's ago and I'm led to believe the plan is to pick him and build from him out. Have him as a leader in the room and in the community. But things can change..
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