Leon Draisatl - time to prove?

[CanadianPensFan1]

McCollapse

That, my friend, is solid lol

 

[Three On Zero]

He is better then Eichel though.... I know it hurts but its the truth man. Leftovers , top players, with McDavid, Without McDavid .... primary assists, secondary assists ... it is what it is, sorry man.

eichel is the superior player

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Perfect, so if LD does go on a scoring drought in McDavid's absence, Oiler fans better not be shifting the blame onto RNH and Yamamoto.

Drai is allowed to go through slumps. He went through one for a month and he still sits alone at the top

 

[Chet Manley]

The Oilers' top 6 forward group is a bit of a house of cards. Three excellent players trying to drag anyone with a pulse into the top 6. Not sure it says much about Drai if the house collapses.

 

[thaman8765678]

He has nothing to prove, and I say this as a Flames fan who hates the Oilers...

One player can't carry an entire team.

 

[McFlash97]

eichel is the superior player

Leon Draisaitl is the superior player.

classic case of small man syndrome.

Nothing wrong with having a top 10 player. He isn't top 3 though.

 

[Beukeboom]

Prove what, he already leads the league in points without playing with McD 5 on 5.

True, but the best D will be out against McDavid, and avoiding them helps. PP with #97 is another factor.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The first line is going to be an issue too.

Kass - Drai - Yamo??

Yikes......

thats 2/3 of our top line now anyway and a guy that was on the top line for 60 games.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

With Mcdavid out, Draisatl can either silence the critic's or prove them right...for the next 2-3 weeks it's time to put the spotlight on him and his true value to the Oilers and ranking in the NHL.

Thoughts ?

Time to put up or shut up...my guess is he struggles significantly.

 

[wretched34]

I’m assuming this is a joke

Why? Are you struggling with the letters or the numbers?
Even "Separated" McDavid is still involved in 40% of Draisaitl's points.
That's not normal for a 1C/2C dynamic.
You can't continue to beat the drum that a guy is an elite C, who carries his own line, when 40% of the points you use to prove it, are scored with the other top center.

I compared Draisaitl and Lindholm over the last 20 games, because both have gone from playing wing with the teams top C, to centering the 2nd lines.
In that time, Lindholm has 15 points without Monahan, and Draisiatil has 18 points without McDavid.
One is touted as an elite top center, and the other isn't anywhere near that conversation.... Pretty strange dynamic.

Draisiatl is a hell of a hockey player, but he is not an Elite top Center in the league.... outside of the last 20 games he's been a winger for the better part of his career.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Time to put up or shut up...my guess is he struggles significantly.

Shocker

 

[Three On Zero]

Leon Draisaitl is the superior player.

classic case of small man syndrome.

Nothing wrong with having a top 10 player. He isn't top 3 though.

Sure Divesaitl is better than Jeff Skinner, but unless all you do it stat watch it’s easy to see that Eichel is the far superior player

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Why? Are you struggling with the letters or the numbers?
Even "Separated" McDavid is still involved in 40% of Draisaitl's points.
That's not normal for a 1C/2C dynamic.
You can't continue to beat the drum that a guy is an elite C, who carries his own line, when 40% of the points you use to prove it, are scored with the other top center.

I compared Draisaitl and Lindholm over the last 20 games, because both have gone from playing wing with the teams top C, to centering the 2nd lines.
In that time, Lindholm has 15 points without Monahan, and Draisiatil has 18 points without McDavid.
One is touted as an elite top center, and the other isn't anywhere near that conversation.... Pretty strange dynamic.

Draisiatl is a hell of a hockey player, but he is not an Elite top Center in the league.... outside of the last 20 games he's been a winger for the better part of his career.

You listed a 20 game sample size as your argument in which Draisaitl has scored 11 more points than Lindholm; that is 45 more points over an entire season. I’m not sure how that helps to prove any sort of point you want to make lol

Of course Draisaitl still shares points with McDavid. Elite players putting up elite production on the PP together is not a bad thing. Maybe if Lindholm was a better player he could come close to what Drai is doing.

Lindholm is completely invisible when he is not scoring. I didn’t notice him once other than his fluke goal in the last BoA. Draisaitl dominated the Flames. There is a reason one player is viewed by the majority as a top player in the league and the other is nowhere close.

Shall I continue?

 

[DarthProbert]

Which is what he has done this season.


the uninformed ....

Uhhhhhhh, he leads the league in scoring

Anyone who still doubts him is clearly being willfully ignorant at this point

Anyone still pushing that "product of McDavid" crap is why there's an ignore function on here. Same with those people who say "Carter will retire if he's traded" literally every time his name comes up. I highly recommend people use the ignore function more. It really cleans the place up.

 

[BAM]

Drai is allowed to go through slumps. He went through one for a month and he still sits alone at the top

I just said don't blame RNH and Yamamoto for a slump if it happens.

 

[End of Line]

He has nothing to prove, and I say this as a Flames fan who hates the Oilers...

One player can't carry an entire team.

Malkin from 11-12 says hello.

 

[McFlash97]

No one is saying he is a bad players by any means. Top 20 player in the league, but he's always had the McDavid crutch and so far has been on the ice 70% with McDavid. That is a lot of time to already "prove" he can do it on his own.

And their schedule isnt awful for the next could weeks, but hardly easy either.

lol

leads the league in scoring and torching the league a new one the last 15 games

over 50 goals and 105 points last year

won the skills passing drill, and almost won the accurate shooter contest this year .....


homers on HF:

might be a top 20 player.

 

[wretched34]

You listed a 20 game sample size as your argument in which Draisaitl has scored 11 more points than Lindholm; that is 45 more points over an entire season. I’m not sure how that helps to prove any sort of point you want to make lol

Of course Draisaitl still shares points with McDavid. Elite players putting up elite production on the PP together is not a bad thing. Maybe if Lindholm was a better player he could come close to what Drai is doing.

Lindholm is completely invisible when he is not scoring. I didn’t notice him once other than his fluke goal in the last BoA. Draisaitl dominated the Flames. There is a reason one player is viewed by the majority as a top player in the league and the other is nowhere close.

Shall I continue?

The argument isn't who's the better player. It's that Draisaitl is not an elite top 5 center in the league like many Oil fans are declaring him to be.
"Elite players put up elite points with other elite players" sure. 40% of Draisaitls points are scored on the powerplay, and 40% of Draisaitls points are scored with McDavid.
So, he's at best an 80 point center without McDavid. That's solid, but not elite top 5.

If you want to argue that, put up the data to support your argument rather than "ya, buts"

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

The argument isn't who's the better player. It's that Draisaitl is not an elite top 5 center in the league like many Oil fans are declaring him to be.
"Elite players put up elite points with other elite players" sure. 40% of Draisaitls points are scored on the powerplay, and 40% of Draisaitls points are scored with McDavid.
So, he's at best an 80 point center without McDavid. That's solid, but not elite top 5.

If you want to argue that, put up the data to support your argument rather than "ya, buts"

Thank you for saying exactly what I wanted to but couldnt put the words intelligently together. This is spot on.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

lol

leads the league in scoring and torching the league a new one the last 15 games

over 50 goals and 105 points last year

won the skills passing drill, and almost won the accurate shooter contest this year .....


homers on HF:

might be a top 20 player.

He may be, but weve never seen it without mcDavid. Like many have said, Malkin did it without Crosby and that shut up the haters. Draisaitl's turn.

 

[McFlash97]

Sure Divesaitl is better than Jeff Skinner, but unless all you do it stat watch it’s easy to see that Eichel is the far superior player

ahh yes here comes the willfully ignorant.

 

[780il]

Nothing will silence the critics...hes been 2ppg sine centering his own line...If he does well in the next 3 weeks there will be an excuse...if he does poorly the haters will feast.

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Prove what, he already leads the league in points without playing with McD 5 on 5.

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Not a single player in this league can carry that Oilers depth to success. Not even McDavid (without Drai). It really is an impossible task for Draisaitl.

If they go 4-6-0 that has to be considered a success. If they somehow stay in the playoff race at all.

And this


Interesting that probably the biggest Oiler hater on the site started this thread

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

lol

leads the league in scoring and torching the league a new one the last 15 games

over 50 goals and 105 points last year

won the skills passing drill, and almost won the accurate shooter contest this year .....


homers on HF:

might be a top 20 player.

Look, I think Drai is a fantastic player and well worthy of accolades buuuuuuut using "won passing drill" at the fn all star game isnt something to hang a hat on.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

The argument isn't who's the better player. It's that Draisaitl is not an elite top 5 center in the league like many Oil fans are declaring him to be.
"Elite players put up elite points with other elite players" sure. 40% of Draisaitls points are scored on the powerplay, and 40% of Draisaitls points are scored with McDavid.
So, he's at best an 80 point center without McDavid. That's solid, but not elite top 5.

If you want to argue that, put up the data to support your argument rather than "ya, buts"

You can’t just eliminate Draisaitl’s time with McDavid and then assume he would score 0 points in the time in which McD is replaced by other players hahaha especially on the PP

Your logic is seriously lacking here

 

[wretched34]

You can’t just eliminate Draisaitl’s time with McDavid and then assume he would score 0 points in the time in which McD is replaced by other players hahaha especially on the PP

Your logic is seriously lacking here

Lol, logic, cute.

You cant just assume Draisaitl would replicate his production without McDavid. I inflated his numbers without McDavid to account for obvious production.