Leon Draisatl - time to prove?

[4EDM14OIL93]

Lol, logic, cute.

You cant just assume Draisaitl would replicate his production without McDavid. I inflated his numbers without McDavid to account for obvious production.

I never said he would replicate the same numbers. If you think Draisaitl is an 80 point player without McDavid then it’s clear you haven’t watched the player

 

[McFlash97]

Lol, logic, cute.

You cant just assume Draisaitl would replicate his production without McDavid. I inflated his numbers without McDavid to account for obvious production.

Lol no, you willfully neglected to include his recent production without 97 to come up with a blanket statement on his max production without McDavid.

In other words...

No logic in your post.

 

[Del Preston]

JoeThorntonsRooster, The List of Jericho, StevenF1919, and joe dirte are in a competition to see who can be more wrong about Draisaitl.

Imagine still arguing he's a leech after the last two seasons.

 

[Kamus]

Malkin from 11-12 says hello.

Compare the rosters......
He still had a 40 goal scorer, a top goalie, two very solid wingers, solid dmen, etc....
What malkin did was amazing, and i believe drai is not at his level.... But i dont think its right to compare the talent of the two teams...

 

[wretched34]

Lol no, you willfully neglected to include his recent production without 97 to come up with a blanket statement on his max production without McDavid.

In other words...

No logic in your post.

Did you look at the data I provided?
It's a breakdown of all his points over the last 20 games where he has been centering line 2. I then included a production bump comparative to another center in the same situation for Powerplay points with 1C included.
It came out to 1.0ppg, which isnt a ad thing. But it brings him to being an 80 point center, not the 100+ point winger he is with McDavid.

I'm really not sure what's so hard to understand. You've provided no evidence or factual data to prove your side of the argument, but just ignore the data put in front of you, because it's not what you want to see.

 

[McFlash97]

He may be, but weve never seen it without mcDavid. Like many have said, Malkin did it without Crosby and that shut up the haters. Draisaitl's turn.

It's good that you're comparing Leon Draisaitl to prime Malkin...

Then why is Eichel even in the same thread as Leon as per your posts indicate ?


You speak the truth then become illogical all in the same thread


Is Eichel better then Prime Malkin ? Please enlighten HF

 

[kingsholygrail]

I don't remember, but did Malkin always get this kind of grief every time Crosby got hurt?

 

[McFlash97]

Did you look at the data I provided?
It's a breakdown of all his points over the last 20 games where he has been centering line 2. I then included a production bump comparative to another center in the same situation for Powerplay points with 1C included.
It came out to 1.0ppg, which isnt a ad thing. But it brings him to being an 80 point center, not the 100+ point winger he is with McDavid.

I'm really not sure what's so hard to understand. You've provided no evidence or factual data to prove your side of the argument, but just ignore the data put in front of you, because it's not what you want to see.

Just pure logic indicates he is better then a 100 point winger already. 105 last year and on pace for a ludicrous 127 this year.

100 ? 80 ? The guy is at close to 2 ppg for almost a month without 97.

His main weapon...an undersized rookie....who had proven nothing in the NHL until he was put on Draisaitls wing.

Step back... relax. Let the heartbeat calm down. Think logically.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

He has nothing to prove. He’s elite and one of the best players in the league.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Did you look at the data I provided?
It's a breakdown of all his points over the last 20 games where he has been centering line 2. I then included a production bump comparative to another center in the same situation for Powerplay points with 1C included.
It came out to 1.0ppg, which isnt a ad thing. But it brings him to being an 80 point center, not the 100+ point winger he is with McDavid.

I'm really not sure what's so hard to understand. You've provided no evidence or factual data to prove your side of the argument, but just ignore the data put in front of you, because it's not what you want to see.

The only point your post proves is that Leon is an elite player/PP player and is vastly superior to Lindholm

This apparent 80 pts came out of thin air

 

[McFlash97]

The only point your post proves is that Leon is an elite player/PP player and is vastly superior to Lindholm

This apparent 80 pts came out of thin air

His posts are like his username.

Wretched

 

[wretched34]

Just pure logic indicates he is better then a 100 point winger already. 105 last year and on pace for a ludicrous 127 this year.

100 ? 80 ? The guy is at close to 2 ppg for almost a month without 97.

His main weapon...an undersized rookie....who had proven nothing in the NHL until he was put on Draisaitls wing.

Step back... relax. Let the heartbeat calm down. Think logically.

Oiler fan logic: "dont cherry pick stats without McDavid to show how he produces without McDavid, in a few games he was almost a 2.0ppg players" (Lucic is a 2.5ppg player over his last 2 games by the way).
I provided stats from a 20 game span where Draisaitl played very well as a center. Those stats also showed that of his 29 points (1.45ppg), almost 40% of them still included McDavid.

Now he doesnt have McDavid, So is it not safe to assume he won't be getting that McDavid boost? Even if it's only reduced by half, hes 23 points in 20 games, but now he gets the toughest assignments, not secondary defenders. He's gonna take a dip from that. I dont think a point per game player is unreasonable.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Oiler fan logic: "dont cherry pick stats without McDavid to show how he produces without McDavid, in a few games he was almost a 2.0ppg players" (Lucic is a 2.5ppg player over his last 2 games by the way).
I provided stats from a 20 game span where Draisaitl played very well as a center. Those stats also showed that of his 29 points (1.45ppg), almost 40% of them still included McDavid.

Now he doesnt have McDavid, So is it not safe to assume he won't be getting that McDavid boost? Even if it's only reduced by half, hes 23 points in 20 games, but now he gets the toughest assignments, not secondary defenders. He's gonna take a dip from that. I dont think a point per game player is unreasonable.

The Draisaitl sample size isn't 2 games
And yea, 40% of his production included McDavid because he still produces on the powerplay. He shouldn't be penalized for producing on the PP as well as ES

 

[wretched34]

The Draisaitl sample size isn't 2 games
And yea, 40% of his production included McDavid because he still produces on the powerplay. He shouldn't be penalized for producing on the PP as well as ES

No body is penalizing him, just saying, when you don't have the luxury of playing with McDavid you don't get that boost. Just ask Maroon, Kassian, Lucic, Chaisson....

Apparently numbers are hard, so I'll leave, because I can't keep going around in circles.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

No body is penalizing him, just saying, when you don't have the luxury of playing with McDavid you don't get that boost. Just ask Maroon, Kassian, Lucic, Chaisson....

Apparently numbers are hard, so I'll leave, because I can't keep going around in circles.

His ES production off of McDavid's line is still great. None of those players produced at ES away from McDavid.

 

[AvatarAang]

Nothing will silence the critics...hes been 2ppg sine centering his own line...If he does well in the next 3 weeks there will be an excuse...if he does poorly the haters will feast.

If he does poor in the next 3 weeks there will be an excuse...if he does well the homers will feast.


^Look I can make terrible posts too

 

[HugginThePost]

lol

leads the league in scoring and torching the league a new one the last 15 games

over 50 goals and 105 points last year

won the skills passing drill, and almost won the accurate shooter contest this year .....


homers on HF:

might be a top 20 player.

Whoa.....cringy.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Tippett should go full Tippett and clog the game down like crazy while converting on the PP and squeezing out 2-1 SO wins. Call up enough fast hungry players while stapling James Neal to the bench except for PPs and it may work

 

[HugginThePost]

Just pure logic indicates he is better then a 100 point winger already. 105 last year and on pace for a ludicrous 127 this year.

100 ? 80 ? The guy is at close to 2 ppg for almost a month without 97.

His main weapon...an undersized rookie....who had proven nothing in the NHL until he was put on Draisaitls wing.

Step back... relax. Let the heartbeat calm down. Think logically.

Except that 's not true at all......

.....40% of his points have come from playing with McDavid.

Who's being willfully ignorant??

 

[Nemesis Prime]

I wonder what the consensus would be if he didn't wear the Oilers jersey.

 

[snag]

Oh my God... Draisaitl didn't get the first goal without McDavid... What a bum.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

5 point lead now

 

[Del Preston]

No body is penalizing him, just saying, when you don't have the luxury of playing with McDavid you don't get that boost. Just ask Maroon, Kassian, Lucic, Chaisson....

Apparently numbers are hard, so I'll leave, because I can't keep going around in circles.

You can say that for every single player in the history of the game who has played with a superstar.

"But he plays with McDavid" has always been a bad argument and looks even worse since Draisaitl moved to his own line six weeks ago (14 games). He has 17 "non-McDavid" points in those games and has another one tonight so far.

 

[GreytWun]

I was a fairly strong doubter but I think he's already proven himself so far this year. I do think his (and the team's) production will take a hit on the power play but I think Draisaitl will keep going at 5v5.

Why did you doubt him last year?

 

[snipes]

Just got another assist on Yamamoto’s 2nd of the game.