Leon Draisaitl the most underrated player in the NHL?

[Little Psycho]

Do Oilers fan still think he's the next Kopitar?

 

[Skolman]

Do Oilers fan still think he's the next Kopitar?

He definitely has the potential to be, obviously the odds are stacked against him.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

You're referring to a depth centre vs a top winger.

Marner isn't a center and I think you're being a bit hard on him, he'll come around.

 

[Skolman]

You're referring to a depth centre vs a top winger.

A "top winger" who's never hit 70 points, but somehow Draisaitl is a "depth centre" good one

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

And you get back to me when you get a player good enough to make the oilers better than a one player basement team.

Your user name definitely fits the bill with your posts regarding the Oilers, that’s for sure.

 

[BAM]

This is your response?

After reading this post it's clearly not me who doesn't understand advanced stats.

LOL learn math first then come back. If you need to be told how less minutes affects p/60 then I can't help you until you take a math class

 

[Del Preston]

LOL learn math first then come back. If you need to be told how less minutes affects p/60 then I can't help you until you take a math class

There aren't enough facepalms in the world for this post.

The fact you don't understand rates and what pts/60 means says everything.

 

[BAM]

We are talking about scoring rate. His when he was away from McDavid was 2.01 pts/60 based on the number of points he earned (21) in 628:15 of 5-on-5 play (not even strength). Does this mean he would score at the same rate over the entire season? Who knows, but it is a better way of forecasting how a player would do than making baseless posts like you've been doing.

You can't call someone a #1 C when they spend the majority of their time with the team's best C. Malkin doesn't play on a line with Crosby, Tavares won't play on a line with Matthews. If Draisaitl is indeed a 1C, then he needs to show it by driving his own line. The stats show McDavid doesn't need LD to be successful, LD does however considering he spends more time with McDavid at ES comapared to his own line. 62.5% of his ES time is with McDavid, that's crazy to still call him a 1C

 

[Del Preston]

You can't call someone a #1 C when they spend the majority of their time with the team's best C. Malkin doesn't play on a line with Crosby, Tavares won't play on a line with Matthews. If Draisaitl is indeed a 1C, then he needs to show it by driving his own line. The stats show McDavid doesn't need LD to be successful, LD does however considering he spends more time with McDavid at ES comapared to his own line. 62.5% of his ES time is with McDavid, that's crazy to still call him a 1C

I never called him a #1C. Infact, in the Draisaitl thread on the poll board right now, I said he isn't a 1C though he has potential to grow into one.

 

[BAM]

There aren't enough facepalms in the world for this post.

The fact you don't understand rates and what pts/60 means says everything.

29/600 vs 29/1000

...not that hard to understand why using P/60 for his time away from McDavid inflates his p/60. I can't believe I'm teaching you math now

 

[BAM]

I never called him a #1C. Infact, in the Draisaitl thread on the poll board right now, I said he isn't a 1C though he has potential to grow into one.

I agree with that, he's an elite winger more than anything rn

 

[Joey Moss]

He's not fairly rated because every single Draisaitl thread you go into there are multiple comments suggesting either of the following

a) He can't produce away from McDavid
b) He's not a center, he plays mostly RW on McDavid's line

Neither of which are true.

Even if they were true it seems people use this argument against Draisaitl but for some reason his most frequent comparables Pastrnak (playing on the best line in the league) and Nylander (playing with McDavid 2.0 in Toronto) do not get this treatment.

 

[Gravity]

Lol not even close. If anything he's so overvalued on these boards.

 

[Del Preston]

29/600 vs 29/1000

...not that hard to understand why using P/60 for his time away from McDavid inflates his p/60. I can't believe I'm teaching you math now

Holy smokes. You don't even know what you are arguing at this point.

Draisaitl's p/60 WITH McDavid: 2.65
Draisaitl's p/60 WITHOUT McDavid: 2.01
Draisaitl's p/60 OVERALL: 2.29

 

[BAM]

Holy smokes. You don't even know what you are arguing at this point.

Draisaitl's p/60 WITH McDavid: 2.65
Draisaitl's p/60 WITHOUT McDavid: 2.01
Draisaitl's p/60 OVERALL: 2.29

How is p/60 calculated...answer that, I honestly don't think you understand

p/60 takes TOI into account, using lower figures (600) will inflate his p/60.

 

[Del Preston]

How is p/60 calculated...answer that, I honestly don't think you understand

Points divided by time on ice, multiplied by 60

This is basic stuff.

When McDavid is off the ice Draisaitl scores at a rate of 2.01 points per 60 minutes.

21 / 628.25 = 0.03342618
0.03342618 x 60 = 2.01

 

[BAM]

Points divided by time on ice, multiplied by 60

This is basic stuff.

You're using LD's time away from McDavid, meaning a lower TOI when you compare him to guys that have played 900+ minutes. That is going to inflate his p/60...jesus christ math class

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You're referring to a depth centre vs a top winger.

Or top winger vs top winger, let Marner actually break the 70 point barrier before we start calling him a top winger and in the same breath as Draisaitl.

 

[Del Preston]

You're using LD's time away from McDavid, meaning a lower TOI when you compare him to guys that have played 900+ minutes. That is going to inflate his p/60...jesus christ math class

LOL

It's an average based on 60 minutes of ice time. That's what the entire point of the stat is. TO FIND THE AVERAGE SCORING RATE OF A PLAYER.

I cannot believe you don't understand the point being made here.

I've already pointed out that it's a hypothetical argument based on his production staying the same in about ~45% more game time.

Your entire argument is "Draisaitl isn't that good because he relys on McDavid to put up points"
Counterpoint: in the time he spends away from McDavid he scores at a rate of 2.01 pts/60, comparable to several other players
You: LOL that's not fair he played less time than everyone else

1. There's nothing we can do about the size of the sample, because this is how he was used this past season. It's a lot better way to see how he does than what you've come up with, which is nothing other than saying he isn't good and ignoring the numbers available.

2. Every other player being compared isn't accused of only putting up points because of who they happen to play with. I've already shown that most, if not all, players in this league will see in a dip in production when they go from their best linemate to an inferior player.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You're using LD's time away from McDavid, meaning a lower TOI when you compare him to guys that have played 900+ minutes. That is going to inflate his p/60...jesus christ math class

Or maybe he has a hot streak of 10 games away from mcdavid and it goes up? What you're saying is hypothetical.

I dont think you should be telling anyone to math class when he explained it for you pretty well.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[BAM]

LOL

It's an average based on 60 minutes of ice time. That's what the entire point of the stat is. TO FIND THE AVERAGE SCORING RATE OF A PLAYER.

I cannot believe you don't understand the point being made here.

I can't believe you don't understand that dividing a player's points by 600 is going to result in a higher p/60 than a player's points divided by 900+...

 

[BAM]

Or maybe he has a hot streak of 10 games away from mcdavid and it goes up? What you're saying is hypothetical.

I dont think you should be telling anyone to math class when he explained it for you pretty well.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

P/60 is hypothetical to begin with.

and oh the irony.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

P/60 is hypothetical to begin with.

and oh the irony.

P/60 isn't hypothetical, it is an actual stat you can figure out by doing MATH, maybe if you did more MATH class you would understand that.

 

[BAM]

P/60 isn't hypothetical, it is an actual stat you can figure out by doing MATH, maybe if you did more MATH class you would understand that.

It's hypothetical in that you're extrapolating numbers that could actually not be reached.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I can't believe you don't understand that dividing a player's points by 600 is going to result in a higher p/60 than a player's points divided by 900+...

You don't know that.