Leon Draisaitl the most underrated player in the NHL?

[Tobias Kahun]

Perhaps the question should be asked how a #1 stud C like him who plays behind (and a lot of the time with) the best player in the game, the team still cannot make the playoffs on a regular basis.

How many teams who have 2 legit superstar C's are not a lock to make the playoffs every year despite weaknesses in other areas of the team?

Last I checked you didn’t need to be a superstar to be a 1C

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Last I checked you didn’t need to be a superstar to be a 1C

name a team that won a cup without a superstar C in the last 15 years

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

name a team that won a cup without a superstar C in the last 15 years

Boston and Chicago (3 times)

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Boston and Chicago (3 times)

Prime Toews?

Beregon?

Both take those guys over Draisital rn but Draisital has mad potential so that it's the end of that discussion

also those teams had an insane amount of depth, and Tim Thomas put up a generational season

 

[TheDoldrums]

Boston and Chicago (3 times)

Embarrassing.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Prime Toews?

Beregon?

Both take those guys over Draisital rn but Draisital has mad potential so that it's the end of that discussion

also those teams had an insane amount of depth, and Tim Thomas put up a generational season

ya, they weren't and aren't superstars

 

[Lemontree]

ya, they weren't and aren't superstars

That's your opinion, Just about everyone (Analysts and Management) would disagree with that.

 

[Benedict Kovalchuk]

The most underrated players in the NHL are usually top-6 forwards or top-4 defensemen who aren't stars but get virtually zero recognition for their role outside of their team's fanbase, and even then sometimes not even that. Like for my team, the Isles, Josh Bailey is a real solid player, not just a product of JT, and getting even Isles fans to say something nice about him is like pulling teeth at times. I'm sure there are quite a number of other players on other teams who are in a similar situation.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

The poster was talking about 5-on-5 stats. 2.01 puts him with players like Eichel, Tavares, Backstrom, Marner, and Laine.


Tobias Rieder will hopefully be stapled to Draisaitl all season so he doesn't have a revolving door of wingers again.

Tobias Rieder... LOL. Just another plug. Good luck with that.

 

[Del Preston]

Tobias Rieder... LOL. Just another plug. Good luck with that.

He's played with Draisaitl internationally, and in his NHL career has averaged 14 goals per season on mostly terrible teams. Yes, a definite plug.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

He's played with Draisaitl internationally, and in his NHL career has averaged 14 goals per season on mostly terrible teams. Yes, a definite plug.

Don’t you love low quality opinions based on nothing of substance?

 

[shtorm2005]

Other teams' fans underrate with Oilers fans overrate makes him rated properly in average.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Other teams' fans underrate with Oilers fans overrate makes him rated properly in average.

Weird, I don’t see many Oilers fans overrating him in this thread.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

That's your opinion, Just about everyone (Analysts and Management) would disagree with that.

Bergeron had 57 points in the year they won the Cup
Toews had one 70+ point season (non-cup year)

again, not "superstar" numbers..Superstars finished in the top of the scoring race and win MVPs

 

[shtorm2005]

Weird, I don’t see many Oilers fans overrating him in this thread.

Everything is relative. Rating him "properly" by Oilers fans might be seen as overrate by other teams fans.

 

[Lemontree]

Bergeron had 57 points in the year they won the Cup
Toews had one 70+ point season (non-cup year)

again, not "superstar" numbers..Superstars finished in the top of the scoring race and win MVPs

Actually, Superstars lead their teams to victory and are selected to compete in best on best tournaments (especially when Team Canada).

Why are you quoting what those players have done in the regular season when you seem to have an issue with them not being legit superstars but still won a cup(s)?

Toews - 3 time SC champion (2009, 2012, 2014)

2009: 7 goals/22 assists/29 points in 22 games played
2014: 10 goals/11 assists/21 points in 23 games played

Bergeron - SC champion (2010)

6 goals/14 assists/20 points in 23 games played

Seems like they played at near superstar level in the playoffs during their cup runs, not to mention that both of these players are viewed as complete players and not as offensive only players (ex: Kessel).

 

[JaegerDice]

Actually, Superstars lead their teams to victory and are selected to compete in best on best tournaments (especially when Team Canada).

Why are you quoting what those players have done in the regular season when you seem to have an issue with them not being legit superstars but still won a cup(s)?

Toews - 3 time SC champion (2009, 2012, 2014)

2009: 7 goals/22 assists/29 points in 22 games played
2014: 10 goals/11 assists/21 points in 23 games played

Bergeron - SC champion (2010)

6 goals/14 assists/20 points in 23 games played

Seems like they played at near superstar level in the playoffs during their cup runs, not to mention that both of these players are viewed as complete players and not as offensive only players (ex: Kessel).

I was super confused about this until I realized you were using the starting-year for each season, rather than the ending year, lol

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Actually, Superstars lead their teams to victory and are selected to compete in best on best tournaments (especially when Team Canada).

Why are you quoting what those players have done in the regular season when you seem to have an issue with them not being legit superstars but still won a cup(s)?

Toews - 3 time SC champion (2009, 2012, 2014)

2009: 7 goals/22 assists/29 points in 22 games played
2014: 10 goals/11 assists/21 points in 23 games played

Bergeron - SC champion (2010)

6 goals/14 assists/20 points in 23 games played

Seems like they played at near superstar level in the playoffs during their cup runs, not to mention that both of these players are viewed as complete players and not as offensive only players (ex: Kessel).

damn, Fernando Pisani was a superstar using that logic

no one is questioning they are "stars" but "superstars" are reserved for the consistently elite IMO

 

[Lemontree]

damn, Fernando Pisani was a superstar using that logic

no one is questioning they are "stars" but "superstars" are reserved for the consistently elite IMO

In your opinion how many current superstars are in the NHL and who are they?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

In your opinion how many current superstars are in the NHL and who are they?

Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, McDavid, Karlsson..Kucherov is on the cusp

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

Don’t you love low quality opinions based on nothing of substance?

So you think Rieder is a 2nd liner? Good to know.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

So you think Rieder is a 2nd liner? Good to know.

Uh where did I say that? Brush up on the reading skills.

 

[purdy44]

ya, they weren't and aren't superstars

For the first two of Chicago's cups, I'd argue Toews was the best player in the league overall. Sure he's a shell of his former self now, but I think history will look at Toews as an all time great

 

[Three On Zero]

Overpaid #2C? Not underrated at all

 

[BAM]

Last I checked you didn’t need to be a superstar to be a 1C

He's neither, he's an elite winger more than anything rn