Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-2

[Ratboy]

Didn't someone post the stats with JT against Bergeron and Matthews against Bergeron and Matthew's had the better matchup stats vs that line?

Dunno

 

[socko]

I have never seen so much vitriol and buthurt over a 10 second video clip.

You're right. It's indefensible. Would have been better not to post though.

 

[Ports]

If your team has a 66% chance of winning a series, there is a 12% chance the lower seeded team wins 4 games, 25% chance they win 3. I don't really care at this point but the better team doesn't always win, full stop.

The best way to evaluate a team is how much they win and when. I’ll take the team that does that better all the time and leave the math to you.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Won't ever happen with Babs but 3 changes I'd make to the special teams

1. Have Tavares take defensive zone draws on the PK. Biggest problem with the PK right now is that Boston always starts with the puck and wears us out. Bergeron is killing Hyman on draws.

2. Stop splitting the damn ice time between the units. I don't see the purpose of stacking the top unit if you split the ice time evenly between the 2 units. Have the big boys stay out for an extra 30-40 seconds and try and wear down the other team's penalty killers. Its absolutely ridiculous that Marleau had more powerplay time than Tavares and Marner tonight

3. Put Matthews and Marner on their off wings. Need to open up one timers on the PP IMO.

 

[IPS]

You're right. It's indefensible. Would have been better not to post though.

Nylander's effort has been admired by wondercoach himself (who seems to have no issues with Nylander) and if you look hard enough, you can find all of your favorite players in bad clips like the one Nylander is in.

The Nylander hate train is pretty hilarious right now.

 

[Ports]

Winning is when one team scores more goals than the other team. If the only metric you have for measuring the better team is the team that scores more goals, then yeah, sure. Do you think that that's the case 100% of the time though?

I think hockey is fairly luck based and it can render terms like "better" kinda meaningless. I do think that it's fair to say that good hockey teams give themselves a better chance of winning though... but when you're talking a game by game basis, it's more of a crap shoot than we'd like to think. Also not suggesting that that let's the Leafs off the hook after a poor performance.

The point is. I want a team that wins. That’s it. Too much unimportant number crunching doesn’t change the fact they winning is what counts in the end. Anyway that they can or look doing it.

 

[socko]

Nylander's effort has been admired by wondercoach himself (who seems to have no issues with Nylander) and if you look hard enough, you can find all of your favorite players in bad clips like the one Nylander is in.

The Nylander hate train is pretty hilarious right now.

Babs praises Nylander for every little thing he does right because he has serious issues with him.

 

[Ports]

Nylander's effort has been admired by wondercoach himself (who seems to have no issues with Nylander) and if you look hard enough, you can find all of your favorite players in bad clips like the one Nylander is in.

The Nylander hate train is pretty hilarious right now.

Babcock has no choice. He’s trying to build up his confidence so he gets more out of him.

 

[biotk]

Babs praises Nylander for every little thing he does right because he has serious issues with him.

Babcock has no choice. He’s trying to build up his confidence so he gets more out of him.

I am glad we have so many people on here who can read the mind of Babs. ​

 

[hockeyes]

The best way to evaluate a team is how much they win and when. I’ll take the team that does that better all the time and leave the math to you.

and that's fine, nobody cares about the loser, which nobody should. I'm just saying, the Bruins are not the better team and them squeaking out a win doesn't change that. I'm just willing to accept that the better team loses once and awhile.

 

[Ports]

I am glad we have so many people on here who can read the mind of Babs. ​

Sorry but it’s pretty obvious. What else can he do?

 

[ToMaLe]

Pray for a 5 goal lead going into the 3rd period next game

only way thats happening is if babcock calls in sick....

 

[Ports]

and that's fine, nobody cares about the loser, which nobody should. I'm just saying, the Bruins are not the better team and them squeaking out a win doesn't change that. I'm just willing to accept that the better team loses once and awhile.

The point is, the most objective measure is who actually wins. Saying who is better is so fans can feel better about losing.

 

[hockeyes]

The point is. I want a team that wins. That’s it. Too much unimportant number crunching doesn’t change the fact they winning is what counts in the end. Anyway that they can or look doing it.

Your philosophy is misguided if you only care about wins. That simply isn't how it works and pretending you care only about the result doesn't change how the result arrives.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I am glad we have so many people on here who can read the mind of Babs. ​

Well it's hard to take everything Babcock says as fact while also thinking everything Nylander does is wrong. Sometimes you have to make things up

 

[Ports]

Marner was put on a pedestal usually reserved for Gilmour or Keon after game one and the media was singing his praises then Poof!! he Keyser Soze‘s and he’s gone!

Like every other forward other than Matthews. This isn’t on Marner. Love the Leaf fans who hate on their top scorer. Makes no sense. Too much of a popularity contest with them.

 

[Ports]

Your philosophy is misguided if you only care about wins. That simply isn't how it works and pretending you care only about the result doesn't change how the result arrives.

Maybe the most naive comment I’ve ever heard about professional sports. Teams don’t care how they win as long as they do. Why don’t you is the better question?

 

[6ix]

Highest paid coach in the league has 2 #1 centers, a top 5 playmaking winger, a bonafide #1 dman, and a top tier goalie, yet we’re going to game 7 against a 1 line team with a deadly power play.

Seriously what the f***. Babcock was supposed to be the cherry on top of a stacked roster, but he’s the piece of hair you find in your food. Ruins what could of been something great.

 

[m1ker]

Here it is:

What an absolute embarrassment you guys are to our fan base. How dumb can you guys be. First you can see fourth line is out and Nylander is still on so he’s at the end of his shift. If you played any sports you’ll know when you are tired your mind isn’t the sharpest. Goat has the puck and gets checked the puck goes to Moore. Nylander thinks Goat still has it and he’s looking at goat for the puck. Moore had it and made a nice pass that Nylander wasn’t expecting. Nylander at the end of the shift made a smart decision to not chase the puck because he was tired instead he backed off and got into a good defensive position then made a change when he could. Now please stop embarrassing the real fans who want good players to want to come play for the leafs

 

[biotk]

Sorry but it’s pretty obvious. What else can he do?

Not play him during the last 2 minutes of the second period when:

1) He is just coming off a shift that was over a minute long with only 2 minutes remaining.
2) When you have Tavares' and Matthews' lines, plus the fourth line who have been high energy guys all series.
3) When he has just made a play that some people on here, and I would imagine Babcock, but I can't read his mind like you can, view as a so bad that he should have shit kicked out of him.

Not playing him for the last two minutes of a period is not a drastic step, especially considering how grave his actions were, and how often Babs benches players for much longer periods of time, and he has doubled up Matthews, centering second lines this series, but people just think that would be too much for Babcock.

 

[Ports]

What an absolute embarrassment you guys are to our fan base. How dumb can you guys be. First you can see fourth line is out and Nylander is still on so he’s at the end of his shift. If you played any sports you’ll know when you are tired your mind isn’t the sharpest. Goat has the puck and gets checked the puck goes to Moore. Nylander thinks Goat still has it and he’s looking at goat for the puck. Moore had it and made a nice pass that Nylander wasn’t expecting. Nylander at the end of the shift made a smart decision to not chase the puck because he was tired instead he backed off and got into a good defensive position then made a change when he could. Now please stop embarrassing the real fans who want good players to want to come play for the leafs

Yes trade Nylander for one of them.

 

[Ports]

Not play him during the last 2 minutes of the second period when:

1) He is just coming off a shift that was over a minute long with only 2 minutes remaining.
2) When you have Tavares' and Matthews' lines, plus the fourth line who have been high energy guys all series.
3) When he has just made a play that some people on here, and I would imagine Babcock, but I can't read his mind like you can, view as a so bad that he should have **** kicked out of him.

Not playing him for the last two minutes of a period is not a drastic step, especially considering how grave his actions were, and how often Babs benches players for much longer periods of time, and he has doubled up Matthews, centering second lines this series, but people just think that would be too much for Babcock.

I was referring to why Babcock has been trying to pump his tires to get him to play better. If Kadri wasn’t suspended he could bench him but not now.

 

[biotk]

What an absolute embarrassment you guys are to our fan base. How dumb can you guys be. First you can see fourth line is out and Nylander is still on so he’s at the end of his shift. If you played any sports you’ll know when you are tired your mind isn’t the sharpest. Goat has the puck and gets checked the puck goes to Moore. Nylander thinks Goat still has it and he’s looking at goat for the puck. Moore had it and made a nice pass that Nylander wasn’t expecting. Nylander at the end of the shift made a smart decision to not chase the puck because he was tired instead he backed off and got into a good defensive position then made a change when he could. Now please stop embarrassing the real fans who want good players to want to come play for the leafs

This is reasonable and in line with the rest of his shift.

 

[biotk]

I was referring to why Babcock has been trying to pump his tires to get him to play better. If Kadri wasn’t suspended he could bench him but not now.

Again, I am glad we have people on here who can read Babcock's mind and know who he would have benched if Kadri was not suspended.

 

[fahad203]

That PP was just horrible. So predictable and our of sync

45 seconds for the first unit. A unit that has 2 40 goal scores(ok Auston has 37) but come on

How can a team full of young snipers be so bad ?