Can we elaborate on this “over correct” or anybody answer how people think Larsen was capable of working under Torts and a successful winning team, playing a completely different way much of the time, for so long??
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Can we elaborate on this “over correct” or anybody answer how people think Larsen was capable of working under Torts and a successful winning team, playing a completely different way much of the time, for so long??
MoeBartoli
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My mistake I wanted to write "seasons". I mean it was his the third season when Florida rebuilt. Before it Joel returned Panthers to PO, made from it really a good team. So a new coach can keep it's play.
This shit doesn’t get brought up nearly enough.
What happened with Torts was WORSE than just firing him. People had an acceptable defense of it and it could be brushed off if he actually retired or took a decent amount of time off.
He came RIGHT BACK to coach. Why did he not want to coach the Columbus Blue Jackets any more?? Does nobody else see a clear red flag and/or something to follow up on??
The team changed considerably and guys used to FA status to leave? He tried to create a culture and then guys left so I dont think he wanted to go through it again which ironically hes had to do in Philly but its probably much worse there. The part im not a fan of is he clearly wanted to be fired so he would still get paid but Jarmo made him coach if he wanted to earn his contract. I absolutely believe Torts mailed it in that last year just like he did in Vancouver
You forgot some things. Even before the last Torts season it was known that there was going to be a rebuild. Jarmo has wanted hockey based on carry the puck, combinations. Torts has another style. Also that Jones and Dubois weren't planning on playing on the team. Torts is coaching Philly, which while also building a new team, they have more resources and more importantly a better chance of getting better quality players. I don't think Jarmo is a problem. Or do you think he would want to catch Arizona, Ottawa, Buffalo and similar teams too?
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“Passive” and “ineffective” only just recently with the current group of players. Larsen was either pressured or asked to coach a certain way. Consciously or subconsciously.
I’m against this firing and the OBVIOUS PUSHING OUT of Tortorella.
The ROSTER is absolute shit. With or without Bedard.
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Hard to say and can only speculate, but my belief is that Jarmo’s roster direction was not going to be conducive to Torts preferred style. They couldn’t agree, Torts feeling his input diminished, leading to Torts saying “I’m done”. That’s my take.
Do you think he regrets it now that it looks like a rebuild vs competing? He seems like he went there based on Philly's history and rebuilding the old Flyers brand but it was a pretty disasterous year with some players he clearly doesnt enjoy
The Columbus Blue Jackets would be better off with John Tortorella as their GM.
That’s my take.
No interest for this reason.. it's lazy and honestly I think an entire new staff could do this team some good. I feel like Vincent will be too similar to the Larsen experience.
MissADD
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Those talking about the torts situation, I think he just knew it was time to move on. NHL coaches. Don't seem to last as long compared too coaches in other leagues. Only three coaches in the NHL currently have been in the job longer than 5 years. Torts has a good run here and decided to go out on his terms for once. This is the only job he wasn't fired from
I’m pretty fascinated by the whole situation to be honest. I don’t think he “regrets” anything, or is surprised by the team he inherited in Philly in any way.
I think if anything, that makes me question things MORE SO, from a CBJ/CBJ fan perspective, as I don’t think the “prestige” of the organization really matters to him much, and it is a very similar situation that both organizations are going through when it comes to being ready to win games.
MoeBartoli
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Maybe…..But Torts strikes me as a guy who’d be bored to death in a GM role. He seems too much a hands on, action-oriented front line guy.
Shit, I’d rather him be both GM and coach than the route I’m afraid Jarmo will go, announcing a “Reg Dunlop” role for Laine during the summer.
Byrral
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Discussing a certain old coach and bringing up past grievances is a failure in every thread. That ex-coach had a shelf life that had expired and it was time to move on. Everyone knew it.......mostly him.
Saying that if Larsen would have used some of the tools he learned from the previous coach and combined them with his own coaching style it could have worked. It appears he didn't learn much or maybe he thought he needed to be different but this is why it came to todays necessary decision. Larsen wasn't given a good roster but he still could have displayed that he was a good coach and that despite the team he still had control of the locker room. Apparently that was not the case.
Saying that if Larsen would have used some of the tools he learned from the previous coach and combined them with his own coaching style it could have worked. It appears he didn't learn much or maybe he thought he needed to be different but this is why it came to todays necessary decision. Larsen wasn't given a good roster but he still could have displayed that he was a good coach and that despite the team he still had control of the locker room. Apparently that was not the case.
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How many times did we hear the Larsen was the buffer between the players and coaches? He was by all definitions an easy to like guy. Someone people had trust in. A friendly dude. A lot like Todd Richards. A friend.
That’s just who he is. He wasn’t told to be that way. At his opening press conference be made it known that he was going to give players a lot of rope. Thats what he is.
Byrral
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You and I completely agree that the roster as constructed is complete crap. But I would like to see you a bit more vocal about the individual(s) responsible for this roster. You like to put a lot of blame on the players but unless I'm mistaken you've been mostly silent on this subject.
KJ Dangler
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Torts is like a gallon of milk .. and I think you know where I’m going with that
KJ Dangler
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My guy … every bit of news doesn’t have to turn into .. look at me, I was right …Torts did some good things , yet it was certainly time for him to go ..
