Friedman: Jeff Skinner on the Market?

[tarheelhockey]

What's the internal budget expected to be for Carolina next season? Any indications yet?

Low. Dundon's made it quite clear that he's not interested in spending money without a very clear return on investment (e.g., he's not going to overpay for UFAs, buy out bad contracts, or take cap dumps in a trade).

 

[GoldiFox]

I don't see why Carolina would want Simmonds unless the plan was to flip him at the deadline. He has 1 year left, his production is declining, it seems unlikely they could offer him the money and opportunity he'd want to re-up with them. He seems more like an add for a team that thinks it's a reliable depth winger/PP specialist away from competing for a Cup than for a team in their shoes.

Especially for Skinner, who might not be as physical but definitely drives more offense than Simmonds does. It saves them a million or so and makes them slightly larger, that's the only thing I can see there...but they still lose a year of having a top 6 forward signed.

Skinner and Simmonds are both only signed for 1 year. Same term so it's just a straight swap. A physical RW top-6/PP specialist fits the Canes needs very well if Dundon wants to get tougher to play against.

Canes: Skinner + 1st

Kings: Muzzin + Pearson + Conditional 2nd rd (if Skinner re-signs)

Canes get replacement for Skinner in Pearson (underachieved this year playing with rookie center on 2nd line). I don't think Pearson will be a 30 goal scorer but he should atleast hit 20 goals every year. He's also signed cheap at $3.750M for the next three years. Canes also get a top 2 Dman in Muzzin who is also on a cap friendly contract at $4M for the next two years.

Kings get a 1st line LW for Kopitar and $2M in cap space (for one year until Skinner is re-signed) by adding Skinner and removing Muzzin and Pearson. Kings open a spot for one of the many Dman we have coming up and a spot on the 2nd line for one of Kempe, Reider, Iafallo.

Canes have a ton of cap space as well. If they add another dman like John Carlson or another winger like Kane or Van Riemsdyk... they could look really good.

Canes would be looking for a hockey swap with Skinner. I seriously doubt their lottery pick finds its way into any deal that doesn't directly address one of their two main needs (#1G and #1C). LHD and middle-6 wingers are at the bottom of their "needs" list.

 

[VainGretzky]

Would be more like Poolparty + RNH, for Skinner and Faulk, not #9 + prospect + cap dump.

Why would the Oilers even entertain the worst defensman at his postion of defending in the NHL in Faulk, lol Puljujarvi and RNH, Faulk is not even worth a 3rd round pick imo , horrible at defence reason why Canes so bad for so long

 

[Rich Nixon]

Skinner and Simmonds are both only signed for 1 year. Same term so it's just a straight swap. A physical RW top-6/PP specialist fits the Canes needs very well if Dundon wants to get tougher to play against.

You're right I was misreading CapFriendly.

It's a lateral move at best or a step back though. Simmonds can't create offense on his own. Skinner can. It makes them "tougher to play against" in some braindead message board/hockey dinosaur sense where guys who throw 2 hits per game and occasionally shove people after the whistle are somehow "tougher to play against" than guys who can effectively skate the puck over the blue line. Simmonds does go to the front of the net and score goals there, but he's not all that...dynamic.

There's a reason a lot of my fellow Flyers fans are offering to drive Wayne to the airport for that swap.

 

[Starat327]

You're right I was misreading CapFriendly.

It's a lateral move at best or a step back though. Simmonds can't create offense on his own. Skinner can. It makes them "tougher to play against" in some braindead message board sense where guys who throw 2 hits per game and occasionally shove people after the whistle are somehow "tougher to play against" than guys who can effectively skate the puck over the blue line.

There's a reason a lot of my fellow Flyers fans are offering to drive Wayne to the airport for that swap.

I think the other part that is tangible for the Canes is the PP net front presence, which i believe i read was a pretty big weakness. He'd definitely help out there, but yes, overall Skinner is the much better offensive player.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Why would the Oilers even entertain the worst defensman at his postion of defending in the NHL in Faulk, lol Puljujarvi and RNH, Faulk is not even worth a 3rd round pick imo , horrible at defence reason why Canes so bad for so long

I can’t get over what a garbage post this is.

Faulk is the reason the canes have been bad for so long? Not worth a 3rd?

Thank you for the laugh - I needed that.

 

[Legend123]

LMAO all you want, but Canes aren't trading an unprotected 1st, ALONG with Skinner unless the return is better than a guy who scores goals at a similar rate to Skinner AND is a UFA at seasons end, just like Skinner. And your reasoning on Petry is he scored 40 points THIS year so his value is close to Skinner. So if this year's points are how you are rating value of players, then Skinner scored 24G, 49P > Pac's 17G, 37 points. Even last year, Skinner's 37G, 63P is pretty much the same as Pac's 35G, 67 points. I love how "skinner has regressed" but "pacs is worth more." To quote you, LMAO.

Re: Petry and Lehks. If Canes are dealing Skinner, they are likely looking for forward help, not D. And Petry had a career year which is totally inconsistent with any other year in his NHL career. Trading for a guy, or signing a guy that suddenly hits a career high at 30 years old rarely turns out well. Skinner had three 30G+ seasons and has AVERAGED 29G/82 games throughout his career. Lehks is nothing special and more of the same for what the Canes have.

The Pac's deal is much closer, although not with a 2019 1st. The 2nd deal is ridiculous, especially when you take into account the make-up of the Canes (Slavin, Hanifin, Fleury, Bean, Pesce, Faulk, TVR, etc..)

Fair enough. I was just talking from a pure value standpoint.

 

[bleedgreen]

Canes aren’t adding their first to anything unless it’s someone REALLY good. Like number one center good.

I could see Patches being a target, or RoR being in the Canes radar but I don’t think we’ll be able to pay the prices. Whatever Skinner and at most a decent prospect/mid range pick brings back is what it is.

 

[VainGretzky]

I can’t get over what a garbage post this is.

Faulk is the reason the canes have been bad for so long? Not worth a 3rd?

Thank you for the laugh - I needed that.

Don't let facts make you split a gut , worst dman by far at defending AINEC he makes any team defence worse playing 5/5 so laugh away

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

You could see the justification for such a hyperbolic statement being +/- from a mile away.

 

[dellzor]

I could see it Perry (with some retention) for Skinner as a basis. May not add size but would add a bit of grit and pestyness. I hate Perry but you cannot question his compete level.

Perry is 32 and is getting worse

 

[PhoenyX]

I think Perry still has a few more 25 goal, 50-60 point seasons left in him, but he definitely needs a change of scenery as he supposedly doesn't get along with both Carlyle and Murray. I think Anaheim would have to retain at least $2 million though and maybe throw in a guy like Ritchie or a couple 2nd rounders.

 

[bleedgreen]

Perry?!? No thanks. Perry plus other stuff stacked on top? Still no thanks.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Would be more like Poolparty + RNH, for Skinner and Faulk, not #9 + prospect + cap dump.

Might be if the Oilers had any interest in moving any of those players, but they don't. And Nuge wouldn't be on the table in any way.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Faulk is signed for 2 more years.

Why are Edmonton fans asking for Faulk and the lolzing about how apparently little he is worth? Friedman didn’t even mention Faulk being shopped. Everyone wants something for nothing.

Faulk's name was speculated in the media, not really by Oiler fans. Some of us like what he could bring, more of us dislike his game and don't want to consider him at all.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Don't let facts make you split a gut , worst dman by far at defending AINEC he makes any team defence worse playing 5/5 so laugh away

Oh, +/- is the basis of your argument?

Thanks for yet another laugh.

 

[YP44]

Perry is 32 and is getting worse

Was saying as the basis with retention on Perry. He still has some miles left, and could immediately change the culture which it seems the Owner wants to do.

If I was a Cane's fan I would be pissed off about this type of deal but as a fan of neither the ducks or Canes it would not shock me either.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think the way the Canes are being run, they're bound to be a last-place team next year.

 

[VainGretzky]

Oh, +/- is the basis of your argument?

Thanks for yet another laugh.

Keep Skinner a major floater cream puff ,and keep beat me on the outside every time I am the worst defender in the NHL faulk because I have a good laugh knowing when I bet against those clowns they have made me lots of money over the years. Faulk is a joke at defending only a blind homer would think otherwise,

 

[Canes]

Keep Skinner a major floater cream puff ,and keep beat me on the outside every time I am the worst defender in the NHL faulk because I have a good laugh knowing when I bet against those clowns they have made me lots of money over the years. Faulk is a joke at defending only a blind homer would think otherwise,

Ouch that hurts.

I know now what it feels like to be gifted several #1 overall picks, one of which is a generational player, while still finding a way to not make the playoffs regularly.

I should go lash out at other teams and their fans because of the immense pain.

 

[Cane mutiny]

I think the way the Canes are being run, they're bound to be a last-place team next year.

??? How are they being run? The only thing Dundon has done so far is move RF to a different position. He hasn't made one move other than that. Peters left on his own, probably thinking a new GM might replace him anyway, so went for the safer job. It's way to early to comment on what TD has DONE. It's all just speculation at this point.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

??? How are they being run? The only thing Dundon has done so far is move RF to a different position. He hasn't made one move other than that. Peters left on his own, probably thinking a new GM might replace him anyway, so went for the safer job. It's way to early to comment on what TD has DONE. It's all just speculation at this point.

They're just going to name former Hurricanes in place of general manager and head coach.

 

[Canes]

They're just going to name former Hurricanes in place of general manager and head coach.

Thanks for the insight. I'm sure you have impeccable sources.

And hiring former players is basically what we've been doing forever, so... yeah.

 

[KingTux]

I see no logical reason for Carolina to trade him

 

[GoldiFox]

They're just going to name former Hurricanes in place of general manager and head coach.

You are confused. The old boys club has their panties in a bunch because Dundon is doing the opposite of that.